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Tesla's German car sales more than halve in October as wider EV sales jump

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Re: Tesla's German car sales more than halve in October as wider EV sales jump

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Post by dzhiurgis »

hiddencost wrote: post #43
submeta wrote: post #36

Elon promised too much (self driving cars coming next month, this time for real), and the market has realized that after the 25th promise, he‘s not going to deliver. Also, Elon should have stick to cars and rockets. His venturing into politics, and into media (with buying X) didn’t help him either. He got demystified, and demolished his image of a super focused half-einstein, half-edison. Now more of an half-Trump. A…

It wasn't a promise, it was a lie.

It self drives in like 6 or 7 countries now.

Re: Tesla's German car sales more than halve in October as wider EV sales jump

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Post by Forgeties79 »

Iulioh wrote: post #49
afavour wrote: post #39

It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. Tesla has been way, way overvalued for a very long time. If that starts to change I suspect it'll change very quickly and Musk's status might see a dramatic change.

If Tesla's valuation had to follow earnings it would not even be in the SNP500

You could say that about a lot of companies right now to be honest. It’s kind of wild how detached from reality some stocks are. But there’s no denying that Tesla is one of the most egregious examples.

Re: Tesla's German car sales more than halve in October as wider EV sales jump

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Post by dzhiurgis »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #67
rstupek wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From US sales, Audi can't give away their electric cars. Is it any different in Berlin or are you referring to gas/diesel Audis?

The VW group sells 13 different vehicles built on the MEB platform. The id.4 alone sells comparably to the Tesla Y, but if you consider all 13 the same car they are far and away the best selling car in Europe. Considering all 13 the same might be a stretch, but if you just take the 6 that are the same size as the id.4 you still end up with the same result.

In 10-20-30 years, which one do you think you'll be able to maintain - obscure VW ID.4.324.7-cz or Tesla Model Y?

Re: Tesla's German car sales more than halve in October as wider EV sales jump

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Post by _aavaa_ »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #93
bryanlarsen wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The VW group sells 13 different vehicles built on the MEB platform. The id.4 alone sells comparably to the Tesla Y, but if you consider all 13 the same car they are far and away the best selling car in Europe. Considering all 13 the same might be a stretch, but if you just take the 6 that are the same size as the id.4 you still end up with the same result.

In 10-20-30 years, which one do you think you'll be able to maintain - obscure VW ID.4.324.7-cz or Tesla Model Y?

Is this a trick question? I know the Tesla software locks as much as possible to prevent third party repairs.

Re: Tesla's German car sales more than halve in October as wider EV sales jump

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Post by schmidtleonard »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #88
moosedman wrote: post #2

I don’t understand how the Tesla fanboys don’t realize how badly he’s torched his consumer base with his politics…

We are not even in US, but 2 of my Tesla friends turned to support Trump and upgraded to new Model Y. I'd do the same, but I'm broke. I don't support Trump at all, but at least I don't suffer from TDS. I feel there has been shift or perhaps we were cringe tech bros from the start.

> at least I don't suffer from TDS

Trump earns the ire of his political opposition. Framing that ire as delusional is itself delusional.

Re: Tesla's German car sales more than halve in October as wider EV sales jump

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Post by ajross »

postflopclarity wrote: post #85
ajross wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, but "the standard" in this case is basically "everyone's slightly racist drunk uncle". You or I might disagree with that politics but it's absolutely not "uncommon", at all. In fact there's nothing particularly notable about the guy's opinions at all absent the financial force behind them. So... are we cancelling the guy for his opinions or engaging in praxis trying to eliminate his ideology's funding? Very dif…

if your slightly racist drunk uncle was the richest man in the world and one of the most politically influential oligarchs in US history, sure.

Right, and I repeat: if this you arguing with drunk uncles, that's not me. If this is you doing praxis and trying to organize, you are aiming at the wrong target by trying to engage with your political allies here on HN.

Mostly, I suspect, you're just angry and wanting to blow off steam. Which is fine! But not likely to make either of us feel better.

Re: Tesla's German car sales more than halve in October as wider EV sales jump

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Post by bryanlarsen »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #93
bryanlarsen wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The VW group sells 13 different vehicles built on the MEB platform. The id.4 alone sells comparably to the Tesla Y, but if you consider all 13 the same car they are far and away the best selling car in Europe. Considering all 13 the same might be a stretch, but if you just take the 6 that are the same size as the id.4 you still end up with the same result.

In 10-20-30 years, which one do you think you'll be able to maintain - obscure VW ID.4.324.7-cz or Tesla Model Y?

The VW, obviously. With most parts shared across 13 models and all models static for at least a year and usually longer. Plus VW has a good history of parts availability.

Tesla on the other hand is famous for both making minor changes to their vehicles pretty much continuously and a bad history of parts availability.

Re: Tesla's German car sales more than halve in October as wider EV sales jump

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Post by m463 »

KaiserPro wrote: post #23

Part of this is down to musk being an obnoxious prick, but a larger part is down to teslas not actually being innovative, cheap or high quality enough any more. They look dated, or weird, have patchy customer service, and are not even that long range anymore.

I think the model s, model 3 or the previous model y look great.

The recent model y looks terrible, like a duck.

And the ergonomics are cheap and dangerous.

Removing turn signal stalks, drive select stalks is dangerous. I like the idea of buttons, but turn signal buttons? buttons on a moving steering wheel? and the rest of the critical controls buried on a touchscreen? inside door handles? ugh.

Re: Tesla's German car sales more than halve in October as wider EV sales jump

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Post by m463 »

TheAlchemist wrote: post #15
moosedman wrote: post #2

I don’t understand how the Tesla fanboys don’t realize how badly he’s torched his consumer base with his politics…

It's not only politics, although it certainly didn't help. Tesla did not release new cars, except for Cybertruck, for how long ? 5 years ? 10 years ? Their lineup was great initially, and there was 0 competition. Now there is a lot of competition and their lineup did not change at all. Their car business is dying. That's why they try to be an AI & Robotics company. Edit: Here is a good link to follow the sales data -…

> their lineup did not change at all.

I think they messed up all models (removing stalks/controls), and took successful and decent looking model y and made it look odd.

Re: Tesla's German car sales more than halve in October as wider EV sales jump

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Post by breve »

ajross wrote: post #96
postflopclarity wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

if your slightly racist drunk uncle was the richest man in the world and one of the most politically influential oligarchs in US history, sure.

Right, and I repeat: if this you arguing with drunk uncles, that's not me. If this is you doing praxis and trying to organize, you are aiming at the wrong target by trying to engage with your political allies here on HN. Mostly, I suspect, you're just angry and wanting to blow off steam. Which is fine! But not likely to make either of us feel better.

I don't see the point in the mental gymnastics to make excuses for Musk.

He's plainly not as you wish him to be. It's much better to simply see him as he is.

This is how he is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smQNNo2a9xc

It's not great.

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