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YouTube erased more than 700 videos documenting Israeli human rights violations

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Re: YouTube erased more than 700 videos documenting Israeli human rights violations

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It doesn't seem that clear in my opinion. There is a lot of smoke there, and I wouldn't be surprised if there was a fire, but I didn't see the article specifically claiming the government directed YouTube to take down the videos. I saw multiple references there to the government sanctioning groups and that YouTube took down videos based on the sanctions. That very well could be a loophole and a court might deem that…

I’ll say it again: > “Forcing” doesn’t just mean directly requiring the action, it also means the threat of “this is not going to end up well for you if you don’t comply”. Which is definitely what the current administration does. If you need an example, look at the recent Jimmy Kimmel case.

> If you need an example, look at the recent Jimmy Kimmel case.

Jimmy Kimmel is on the air today, having walked back his nonsense about the political allegiances of the Charlie Kirk killer. If the outcome is the political left in America is even fractionally less likely to incite violence against anyone they don't like the speech of, then that's a great outcome.

Re: YouTube erased more than 700 videos documenting Israeli human rights violations

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It turns out that it's much easier than anyone thought to end freedom of speech in the United States. If no one cares about the Constitution, then it's just paper. Trump sanctions the International Criminal Court and anyone who provides evidence to it, and now pro-Palestinian groups can't post videos of Israeli abuse on YouTube. The First Amendment is nowhere to be seen.

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post #31

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I looked into writing a script that wires yt-dlp to archive.org, iirc one already existed, but archive.org requested that people only upload videos that are at risk of deletion by YouTube. I guess this would be a valid contender. I’d encourage anyone to begin mirroring videos for that reason.

Is that a joke? They're all 'at risk' of deletion.

Yes. Everything on internet can be deleted and modified at someone's will.

Re: YouTube erased more than 700 videos documenting Israeli human rights violations

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Youtube takes down snuff. News at 11. It doesn't matter if the snuff is an Israeli shooting a Palestinian, or a jihadi beheading a cartoonist. It's all removed because YouTube doesn't accept snuff on its platform.

These videos were removed because of sanctions against the companies who run the YouTube channels, not because of ToU violations.

Re: YouTube erased more than 700 videos documenting Israeli human rights violations

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There was an article yesterday about Jimmy Wales commenting on edit wars on the Wikipedia entry for Genocide in Gaza (or similar title). The article didn't indicate his taking one side or the other, but I'd prefer if people didn't use name-recognition to influence such things (yes, even if they take the same side as me because others will do the same in the other direction). Fwiw, I downloaded a torrent of footage do…

He's not trying to influence anything - he's trying to safeguard Wikipedia's stated neutral point-of-view policy.

His statement: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Gaza_genocide#Statement_f...

Whatever your point of view is, he explains clearly why the article is biased:

> At present, the lede and the overall presentation state, in Wikipedia’s voice, that Israel is committing genocide, although that claim is highly contested. This is a violation of WP:NPOV and WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV that requires immediate correction.

> A neutral approach would begin with a formulation such as: “Multiple governments, NGOs, and legal bodies have described or rejected the characterization of Israel’s actions in Gaza as genocide.”

Re: YouTube erased more than 700 videos documenting Israeli human rights violations

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post #13

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The ICC is not a beneficiary of the Constitution, nor is YouTube bound by the Constitution. I'm unhappy for the same reasons as you, but this isn't how 1A works.

The problem is that these private companies have taken a disproportionate place in public discourse. You are absolutely right that freedom of speech does not guarantee the right to post anything on YouTube (someone else's website). In fact YouTube has the right (protected speech) to censor you and refuse to let you post long as they don't do in a discriminatory way (for instance, only "white people" can post would be…

Utilities seems the right idea.

Re: YouTube erased more than 700 videos documenting Israeli human rights violations

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There was an article yesterday about Jimmy Wales commenting on edit wars on the Wikipedia entry for Genocide in Gaza (or similar title). The article didn't indicate his taking one side or the other, but I'd prefer if people didn't use name-recognition to influence such things (yes, even if they take the same side as me because others will do the same in the other direction). Fwiw, I downloaded a torrent of footage do…

The position Wales was taking was that Wikipedia shouldn't be calling it a genocide in its own voice ("wikivoice"), which means taking a side rather than neutrally documenting the controversy.

Larry Sanger also made a similar statement. The two Wikipedia founders had a falling out back in the day, and it's the first time in a long time that they've publicly agreed on anything.

Neither has any special power on the wiki though. One might hope that both founders pointing out NPOV issues could be a wake-up call to stop interpreting the NPOV policy "creatively" to push an agenda,[3] but realistically nothing seems likely to change.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Gaza_genocide#Statement_f...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Gaza_genocide#Statement_f...

[3] As an example of "creative workarounds" to Wikipedia's neutrality policy, one of the justifications for renaming "Allegations ..." to "Gaza genocide" was a rather bizarre idea that neutrality doesn't apply to titles since they're "topics", not statements. The statement implied by the new title was then predictably used as one of the justifications for changing the article body to use "genocide" in wikivoice.

Re: YouTube erased more than 700 videos documenting Israeli human rights violations

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post #76

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I’ll say it again: > “Forcing” doesn’t just mean directly requiring the action, it also means the threat of “this is not going to end up well for you if you don’t comply”. Which is definitely what the current administration does. If you need an example, look at the recent Jimmy Kimmel case.

> If you need an example, look at the recent Jimmy Kimmel case. Jimmy Kimmel is on the air today, having walked back his nonsense about the political allegiances of the Charlie Kirk killer. If the outcome is the political left in America is even fractionally less likely to incite violence against anyone they don't like the speech of, then that's a great outcome.

> Jimmy Kimmel is on the air today

That it was even off, based on threats made by the government, is the point. Bad things by one party aren’t suddenly OK because a different party beat them.

Re: YouTube erased more than 700 videos documenting Israeli human rights violations

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post #87

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Exactly, it's laughable that this is coming from the same people who cheered on auto de-monetization for even mentioning the word "Covid" in a YT-video or the countless de-platforming and de-banking of individuals. Is this still gaslighting or something else?

Google didn't censor covid-related conspiracies or whatever at the behest of the government. YouTube can censor whoever it wants but the US government cannot. Also, do you have any actual evidence of political debanking in the US? I can't find any references to it other than the propaganda of the current administration.

I don't know anything so I tried searching. This was th first result.

https://judiciary.house.gov/media/press-releases/google-admi...

Make of it what you will.

Re: YouTube erased more than 700 videos documenting Israeli human rights violations

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There was an article yesterday about Jimmy Wales commenting on edit wars on the Wikipedia entry for Genocide in Gaza (or similar title). The article didn't indicate his taking one side or the other, but I'd prefer if people didn't use name-recognition to influence such things (yes, even if they take the same side as me because others will do the same in the other direction). Fwiw, I downloaded a torrent of footage do…

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