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ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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Post by toomuchtodo »

yasp wrote: post #86
toomuchtodo wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ignore them? Operate outside of US reach. The tubes are global. EDIT: Legally, you have no right to privacy in public, if your photo is captured in public (US centric), broadly speaking. You have the right to record law enforcement officers exercising their official duties in public. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/02/yes-you-have-right-fil... https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/08/federal-judge-upholds-... https:/…

Taking someone's photo is different than storing their biometrics. The latter would violate laws such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biometric_Information_Privacy_...

So avoid being subject to the US jurisdiction, if applicable. Do not store data or operate the system from within the US, or any country within US reach.

https://owasp.org/www-community/Threat_Modeling_Process

Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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Post by evanjrowley »

mrbombastic wrote: post #39

If you haven’t seen it this video is a dystopian display of this tech in action: https://www.reddit.com/r/EyesOnIce/comments/1ogm1qk/ice_agen... I am struggling a bit personally with how to grapple with the fact that the career I have chosen has ended up bolstering all the horrible inclinations of those in power. I think we need some kind of tech workers collective and some version of the hippocratic oath to start pu…

How certain are we that the photos being taken are going to a Palantir database?

Asking because the FBI has been assembling biometrics databases since the mid-20th century and providing access to other law enforcement agencies since the 1990s.

Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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Post by KalMann »

crooked-v wrote: post #31
elicash wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All of the replies to my comment are focusing on the definition of irony. It's like I'm 12 years old again hearing all my classmates talk about why having spoons when you need a knife isn't "actually" irony.

I think the nitpicking is because the phrasing implies that it's not an intentional choice on the part of the government.

I don't think his phrasing implies that.

Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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Post by oceansky »

0xy wrote: post #79
_yb2s wrote: post #55

Don’t fall for the lie that this is at all about illegal immigration- that is just an excuse for what has become state sponsored KKK style racial terrorism operating completely outside the law. Videos all over the Internet show them violently attacking and terrorizing hispanic looking people with no concern for if they are citizens or not. At the Wilder raid in Idaho they were shooting children with rubber bullets, a…

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It's almost as if deportation of illegal immigrants is not the issue. But current ICE methodologies and disregard for laws are.

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Post by _yb2s »

0xy wrote: post #79
_yb2s wrote: post #55

Don’t fall for the lie that this is at all about illegal immigration- that is just an excuse for what has become state sponsored KKK style racial terrorism operating completely outside the law. Videos all over the Internet show them violently attacking and terrorizing hispanic looking people with no concern for if they are citizens or not. At the Wilder raid in Idaho they were shooting children with rubber bullets, a…

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Actually I was very active in criticizing both the Obama and Biden administrations, attending town halls, etc. to criticize their blaming of problems on immigrants. However what they were doing was literally enforcing the immigration laws as they were. That should not in any way be confused with the brutality, cruelty, sadism, criminality, and scale of what is happening now- which has nothing to do with immigration, which was the point of my comment.

Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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Post by mc32 »

Molitor5901 wrote: post #90

I wonder if this is a portend to an American social credit score, like where China uses facial recognition to identify criminals at concerts[1], and jaywalkers, etc. which severely impacts a person's ability to get a job, housing, etc. I can't help but assume this is already being used at retail establishments, but now it could be tied into law enforcement databases, and .. communicate..

Those systems depend on enforcement. If a private system keeps score and gate keeps you usually have alternatives (utilities excluded), if it’s the gov and they decide to enforce it, then things get dire…

Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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Post by visekr »

jimmywetnips wrote: post #56
visekr wrote: post #15

lol - I made something to do the same to ICE. Stores each ICE agent as a visual embedding and creates a database of all sighted agents. https://www.realtimefascism.com/ice-sight

thanks awesome. thank you for making this. Can you go into any detail on what technologies you used? Is there enough differentiating data in their attire to actually match agents? None of them are showing their faces so I wonder how many false positives would occur

yes! although the techniques aren't perfect.

I'm using a YOLO-WORLD-XL object detection model. Lets me detect objects using text. This is the initial filter that scans for agents - once those are detected and outlined with bounding boxes the entire image and each cropped bounding box are then sent to chatgpt to confirm if the image looks legit. Once image passes those checks - I create image embeddings of each agent using CLIP and those are stored in a vector DB, and each agent is then compared to the DB and matched.

The matching system isn't perfect - but I think good enough to get the point across and can be easily tuned with more data! Happy to take suggestions here - I just spun this up over the weekend

Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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Post by dragonwriter »

throw0101c wrote: post #89
elicash wrote: post #6

The irony of doing this while covering their own faces

> The irony of doing this while covering their own faces It’s best to understand that fascists see hypocrisy as a virtue. It’s how they signal that the things they are doing to people were never meant to be equally applied. It’s not an inconsistency. It’s very consistent to the only true fascist value, which is domination. It’s very important to understand, fascists don’t just see hypocrisy as a necessary evil or an…

Or, put more succinctly, Wilhoit’s Law (which is framed as about “conservatism” rather than “fascism”, but the latter can be viewed as, within the context of the description, a complex of ideas which includes the former as its central element):

Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.

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