Nice, the basics again, very good to see.
But then:
I know what you’re thinking, I forgot the most important snippet of them all for writing HTML:
Lol.
-> Ok, thanx, now I do feel like I'm missing an inside joke.
Tags to make HTML work like you expect
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Re: Tags to make HTML work like you expect
#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wish `dang` would take some time to go through the website and make some usability updates. HN still uses a font-size value that usually renders to 12px by default as well, making it look insanely small on most modern devices, etc. At quick glance, it looks like they're still using the same CSS that was made public ~13 years ago: https://github.com/wting/hackernews/blob/5a3296417d23d1ecc90...
I find it exactly the right size on both PC and phone. There's a trend to make fonts bigger but I never understood why. Do people really have trouble reading it? I prefer seeing more information at the same time, when I used Discord (on PC), I even switched to IRC mode and made the font smaller so that more text would fit.
I have HN zoomed to 150% on my screens that are between 32 and 36 inches from my eyeballs when sitting upright at my desk.
I don't really have to do the same elsewhere, so I think the 12px font might be just a bit too small for modern 4k devices.
Re: Tags to make HTML work like you expect
#93Fun fact: both HN and (no doubt not coincidentally) paulgraham.com ship no DOCTYPE and are rendered in Quirks Mode. You can see this in devtools by evaluating `document.compatMode`. I ran into this because I have a little userscript I inject everywhere that helps me copy text in hovered elements (not just links). It does: [...document.querySelectorAll(":hover")].at(-1) to grab the innermost hovered element. It works…
I wish `dang` would take some time to go through the website and make some usability updates. HN still uses a font-size value that usually renders to 12px by default as well, making it look insanely small on most modern devices, etc. At quick glance, it looks like they're still using the same CSS that was made public ~13 years ago: https://github.com/wting/hackernews/blob/5a3296417d23d1ecc90...
I trust dang a lot; but in general I am scared of websites making "usability updates."
Modern design trends are going backwards. Tons of spacing around everything, super low information density, designed for touch first (i.e. giant hit-targets), and tons of other things that were considered bad practice just ten years ago.
So HN has its quirks, but I'd take what it is over what most 20-something designers would turn it into. See old.reddit Vs. new.reddit or even their app.
Re: Tags to make HTML work like you expect
#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wish `dang` would take some time to go through the website and make some usability updates. HN still uses a font-size value that usually renders to 12px by default as well, making it look insanely small on most modern devices, etc. At quick glance, it looks like they're still using the same CSS that was made public ~13 years ago: https://github.com/wting/hackernews/blob/5a3296417d23d1ecc90...
I find it exactly the right size on both PC and phone. There's a trend to make fonts bigger but I never understood why. Do people really have trouble reading it? I prefer seeing more information at the same time, when I used Discord (on PC), I even switched to IRC mode and made the font smaller so that more text would fit.
I have mild vision issues and have to blow up the default font size quite a bit to read comfortably. Everyone has different eyes, and vision can change a lot with age.
Re: Tags to make HTML work like you expect
#95Nice, the basics again, very good to see. But then: I know what you’re thinking, I forgot the most important snippet of them all for writing HTML: Lol. -> Ok, thanx, now I do feel like I'm missing an inside joke.
It's a typical pattern in, say react, to have just this scaffolding in the HTML and let some frond end framework to build the UI.
Re: Tags to make HTML work like you expect
#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wish `dang` would take some time to go through the website and make some usability updates. HN still uses a font-size value that usually renders to 12px by default as well, making it look insanely small on most modern devices, etc. At quick glance, it looks like they're still using the same CSS that was made public ~13 years ago: https://github.com/wting/hackernews/blob/5a3296417d23d1ecc90...
Please don’t. HN has just the right information density with its small default font size. In most browsers it is adjustable. And you can pinch-zoom if you’re having trouble hitting the right link. None of the ”content needs white space and large fonts to breathe“ stuff or having to click to see a reply like on other sites. That just complicates interactions. And I am posting this on an iPhone SE while my sight has st…
Yeah, I'm really asking for tons of whitespace and everything to breathe sooooo much by asking for the default font size to be a browser default (16px) and updated to match most modern display resolutions in 2025, not 2006 when it was created.
HN is the only site I have to increase the zoom level, and others below are doing the same thing as me. But it must be us with the issues. Obviously PG knew best in 2006 for decades to come.
Re: Tags to make HTML work like you expect
#97Fun fact: both HN and (no doubt not coincidentally) paulgraham.com ship no DOCTYPE and are rendered in Quirks Mode. You can see this in devtools by evaluating `document.compatMode`. I ran into this because I have a little userscript I inject everywhere that helps me copy text in hovered elements (not just links). It does: [...document.querySelectorAll(":hover")].at(-1) to grab the innermost hovered element. It works…
I wish `dang` would take some time to go through the website and make some usability updates. HN still uses a font-size value that usually renders to 12px by default as well, making it look insanely small on most modern devices, etc. At quick glance, it looks like they're still using the same CSS that was made public ~13 years ago: https://github.com/wting/hackernews/blob/5a3296417d23d1ecc90...
> HN still uses a font-size value that usually renders to 12px by default as well, making it look insanely small on most modern devices, etc.
On what devices (or browsers?) it renders "insanely small" for you? CSS pixels are not physical pixels, they're scaled to 1/96th of an inch on desktop computers, for smartphones etc. scaling takes into account the shorter typical distance between your eyes and the screen (to make the angular size roughly the same), so one CSS pixel can span multiple physical pixels on a high-PPI display. Font size specified in px should look the same on various devices. HN font size feels the same for me on my 32" 4k display (137 PPI), my 24" display with 94 PPI, and on my smartphone (416 PPI).
Re: Tags to make HTML work like you expect
#98Nice, the basics again, very good to see. But then: I know what you’re thinking, I forgot the most important snippet of them all for writing HTML: Lol. -> Ok, thanx, now I do feel like I'm missing an inside joke.
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Re: Tags to make HTML work like you expect
#99width=device-width is actually redundant and cargo culting. All you need is initial-scale. I explain in a bit more detail here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36112889
outerHTML is an attribute of Element and DocumentFragment is not an Element.
Where do the standards say it ought to work?
Re: Tags to make HTML work like you expect
#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m happy to report it still fails and causes me great pain.
Reall? Libreoffice at least has a File > Open menu that allows you to specify the separator and other CSV stuff, like the quote character
You have to be inside Excel and use the data import tools. You cannot double click to open, it outs everything in one cell…