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How AI gave me my voice back – an artist's review of Suno Studio

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Re: How AI gave me my voice back – an artist's review of Suno Studio

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It’s the enemy of successful organization. I have thoughts on when AI is appropriate, but the conversations I want to be having is ‘how do we oppose AI’ and not ‘why is my specific definition of what is Ok better than your very similar one’. Also, once Any AI is allowed, each step beyond that will be barely worth fighting for because it’s only just beyond acceptability.

Turning conversations away from nuance and towards black/white thinking is precisely why we're in an increasingly polarized society. You may see it as a means towards the collective action you'd prefer, but your argument is that sheep are easier to herd towards a goal you've already determined is "right" without inviting critical thought or analysis when you don't allow for nuance. Even if true, I disagree with both…

I mean, you have AI in your name, of course you don’t :p

I also don’t really think the problem with society is that we’re ‘polarized’, a viewpoint which believes that there are merits to “both sides” of human rights issues.

Re: How AI gave me my voice back – an artist's review of Suno Studio

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I think that's almost unfair, to say someone can't feel feelings without being labeled as part of a "mental health crisis". Just because you and I don't understand it doesn't mean it's inherently bad. I mean I think it probably could be bad, but not just because I don't understand how they're feeling those feelings. But I wouldn't label those people "sick", feels borderline disrespectful.

I think it’s pretty fair and I was not being quite as absolutist as you’re making my statement out to be. I said by and large it is a possible mental health crisis developing (or an existing one being expressed which I omitted). There are other possibilities, most of which I would say fall under “this person just doesn’t understand what an LLM is/isn’t and why it can’t engage in a consensual relationship.” I also did…

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Re: How AI gave me my voice back – an artist's review of Suno Studio

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I think it’s pretty fair and I was not being quite as absolutist as you’re making my statement out to be. I said by and large it is a possible mental health crisis developing (or an existing one being expressed which I omitted). There are other possibilities, most of which I would say fall under “this person just doesn’t understand what an LLM is/isn’t and why it can’t engage in a consensual relationship.” I also did…

> Let me just ask you point blank: do you think LLM’s are sentient/akin to people? I think you have to ask those questions to someone else/somewhere else, I'm not saying I'm in love with an LLM or even that I understand how the people who say there are, you're gonna have to ask them those questions. I was merely describing thoughts and writings of others, and my perspective of what I've read, I don't have personal ex…

At the risk of being blunt, I think a lot of that comes across as hand wavy and dismissive. These read gimme like vaguely emotional appeals designed to say I lack empathy. I don’t feel like you’re engaging with most of the questions I asked at all.

Re: How AI gave me my voice back – an artist's review of Suno Studio

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> Let me just ask you point blank: do you think LLM’s are sentient/akin to people? I think you have to ask those questions to someone else/somewhere else, I'm not saying I'm in love with an LLM or even that I understand how the people who say there are, you're gonna have to ask them those questions. I was merely describing thoughts and writings of others, and my perspective of what I've read, I don't have personal ex…

At the risk of being blunt, I think a lot of that comes across as hand wavy and dismissive. These read gimme like vaguely emotional appeals designed to say I lack empathy. I don’t feel like you’re engaging with most of the questions I asked at all.

No, it's true, I didn't, because the questions seemed to be aimed at people who currently think LLMs are sentient, or they currently feel like they're in love with LLMs, which I don't and I'm not, so I skipped the questions.

Lets try again, if you want. What specific questions you want me to answer?

Re: How AI gave me my voice back – an artist's review of Suno Studio

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Nah fuck this. Suno is slop.

I have come to understand the usage of "slop" as possibly the sloppiest thing of all: Something that looks like critique, if it were not so entirely devoid of content.

You know someone doesn't have anything critical to say when they use that word.

Re: How AI gave me my voice back – an artist's review of Suno Studio

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Yes, I have no commercial interest when it comes to music, it's just something I find joy in. Using Suno did not detract from that joy. If music is a hobby, Suno is an incredibly fun tool. DJ's and producers have been getting hate for years. "It's just a guy with a laptop on stage", "he isn't really playing those instruments", etc. Or think of a band leader, someone who composes but doesn't actually play the indiviud…

So long as the music is just for you and never published, I wish you well

I'd like to see them publish their music!

Re: How AI gave me my voice back – an artist's review of Suno Studio

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This brings up an interesting philosophical question about AI assistance for those with disabilities. It reminds me of the debate when NanoWriMo said they would allow AI assistance for similar reasons. We could make an argument based on equity. AI assistance levels the playing field. Something doesn't quite sit right with me though. Last weekend I was watching a band perform where each member of the band had down syn…

When I saw Stephen Hawking on the Simpsons, it occurred to me that in no way was he on the Simpsons. Not his voice, nor his thoughts, nor his visage. All I saw was his brand I suppose. Stephen Hawking’s brand appeared in an episode of the Simpsons.

Re: How AI gave me my voice back – an artist's review of Suno Studio

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At the risk of being blunt, I think a lot of that comes across as hand wavy and dismissive. These read gimme like vaguely emotional appeals designed to say I lack empathy. I don’t feel like you’re engaging with most of the questions I asked at all.

No, it's true, I didn't, because the questions seemed to be aimed at people who currently think LLMs are sentient, or they currently feel like they're in love with LLMs, which I don't and I'm not, so I skipped the questions. Lets try again, if you want. What specific questions you want me to answer?

I asked the relevant questions I had. You can have an opinion on something you don’t actively participate in man - you’ve been expressing one up until this point after all.

If you don’t want to answer so be it but we’re now entering “bad faith” territory so I’m not interested in participating further. Have a good one.

Re: How AI gave me my voice back – an artist's review of Suno Studio

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Turning conversations away from nuance and towards black/white thinking is precisely why we're in an increasingly polarized society. You may see it as a means towards the collective action you'd prefer, but your argument is that sheep are easier to herd towards a goal you've already determined is "right" without inviting critical thought or analysis when you don't allow for nuance. Even if true, I disagree with both…

I mean, you have AI in your name, of course you don’t :p I also don’t really think the problem with society is that we’re ‘polarized’, a viewpoint which believes that there are merits to “both sides” of human rights issues.

Must be nice to live in a world without trolley problems.
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