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ROG Xbox Ally runs better on Linux than Windows it ships with

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Re: ROG Xbox Ally runs better on Linux than Windows it ships with

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Post by int_19h »

buyucu wrote: post #11
mulmen wrote: post #5

This has been my experience. Linux+Steam+Proton delivers a more stable and performant Windows API than Windows. And that was on Windows 10 two years ago. I can only imagine things have gotten worse with Windows 11.

I play a lot of older games from 90s and 2000s. They certainly work better on Linux+Wine+DXVK than on Windows.

It can get funny sometimes. There a game from 1999 that I had troubles running in Wine on Linux all the way back in 2005, and wrote a patch for it:

https://aow.heavengames.com/cgi-bin/forums/display.cgi?actio...

And then the same error message started showing up on Win10. Thankfully the same patch still works...

Re: ROG Xbox Ally runs better on Linux than Windows it ships with

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Post by eru »

kjkjadksj wrote: post #70
Gigachad wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Competitive online gaming is the least strong part of the steam deck. But on the flip side it’s way better for local multi player. You can pack it in your bag with some controllers and plug it in to a friends TV easily.

Very few games bother with local multiplayer anymore

The relative number of games that do this is small, but the absolute number is growing all the time.

Re: ROG Xbox Ally runs better on Linux than Windows it ships with

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Post by eru »

cortesoft wrote: post #88
klipklop wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just refuse to buy games that rely on kernel-level anti-cheat to work.

I have been playing Madden and FIFA/FC for 30 years now. I love them. I love being able to play competitively against other people without having cheaters in every game. Those two desires (to play Madden and FIFA/FC and play online without cheaters) requires that I not simply refuse to buy those games.

Sure, but on the margin you can still change your behaviour.

Ie for games that previously you were on the fence about, a look at whether they play or do not play well on the Steam Deck or Linux in general can push you over the fence (on way or another).

Re: ROG Xbox Ally runs better on Linux than Windows it ships with

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Post by eru »

simlevesque wrote: post #83
klipklop wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just refuse to buy games that rely on kernel-level anti-cheat to work.

Playing any PvP games without them isn't fun anymore.

I suspect playing any PvP game with random members of the public?

Playing Streetfighter 2 with people you know should still be fun?

Re: ROG Xbox Ally runs better on Linux than Windows it ships with

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Post by shmerl »

int_19h wrote: post #90
shmerl wrote: post #17

Nice! Linux gaming came a long way.

We're at the point where the only real holdback for more mainstream games on desktop Linux is the various kernel-level anticheat mechanisms.

I don't expect that atrocious garbage to ever get a solution on Linux. Normal games should focus on server side anti-cheats or anything that doesn't need to put stuff in the kernel.

Re: ROG Xbox Ally runs better on Linux than Windows it ships with

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Post by eru »

cortesoft wrote: post #84
ZenoArrow wrote: post #59

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> The limitations of anti cheat on Linux might be insurmountable Why is it insurmountable? It's not like it's impossible for the companies that produce anti-cheat solutions to get them running on Linux.

The anti-cheats that the competitive games use rely on being able to trust that the checks they add to the kernel can't be overridden. It relies on Windows not being able to be modified to lie about that. Linux can lie about anything.

Is that a difference in degree or in kind?

It's possible to change windows, just a lot harder. Unless you are talking about secure boot, but that's available to Linux just as much as to Windows.

> Linux can lie about anything.

Linux should lie about being Windows then.

Re: ROG Xbox Ally runs better on Linux than Windows it ships with

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Post by [deleted] »

brokencode wrote: post #79
colechristensen wrote: post #61

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The tools for owning your Linux OS are strong enough that anti-cheat is pointless because they're just broken all the time and nobody wants a linux box they can't control at all.

I think most people who buy Steam Decks don’t care whatsoever about Linux and would be perfectly fine with not having control over it as long as all their games worked.

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Re: ROG Xbox Ally runs better on Linux than Windows it ships with

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Post by eru »

jay_kyburz wrote: post #56
cortesoft wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love my Steam Deck, but it is really frustrating how many of the games i regularly play can't be played on it - Madden, EA FC, PUBG, all won't run even though the hardware is plenty to play them. The limitations of anti cheat on Linux might be insurmountable

I love the idea of my Steam Deck, but most steam games just aren't make for tiny 720 screens. I'm an old man now, I can't read tiny fonts. Also, the face buttons are just to far to the right. My thumb will begin aching after 15 mins or so. Other controllers are far more comfortable. To be honest. I like my Playdate more than my Steam Deck.

Thanks to the Steam Deck efforts, gaming on Linux in general has improved massively in the last few years.

Most games 'Just Work' these days on my Linux desktop.

Re: ROG Xbox Ally runs better on Linux than Windows it ships with

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Post by eru »

Telaneo wrote: post #66
Uvix wrote: post #50

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Steam is doing the same thing as Microsoft, between DRM-locking everything so you don't own it, and gatekeeping what titles are actually allowed in their store. They're both locking you into their vision of the future.

DRM is optional on Steam. The dev can opt to not include it, and the default Steam DRM is trivially bypassed anyway. Valve barely does any gatekeeping that isn't caused by outside pressure, i.e. Visa and Mastercard in the latest instance, which they're atleast trying to fight back against, from what I can tell.

Valve does some important gatekeeping that has a real impact:

There's (almost?) no ads and microtransactions in Steam games. If you look at mobile games or browser games, you can see that developers would put them in, if they could.

Re: ROG Xbox Ally runs better on Linux than Windows it ships with

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Post by eru »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #53
Uvix wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Steam is doing the same thing as Microsoft, between DRM-locking everything so you don't own it, and gatekeeping what titles are actually allowed in their store. They're both locking you into their vision of the future.

If Gabe Newell gets hit by a bus, what happens when his estate sells majority control to pay the inheritance and estate taxes? With federal taxes of 40% over $15 million, there's no way his estate maintains majority control, no matter Gabe's good intentions. After that, we can look forward to Microsoft Steam. Or, if the FTC is annoyed, Amazon Steam.

Obviously, Gabe Newell should move to Singapore or another location without inheritance and estate taxes.
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