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Re: MinIO stops distributing free Docker images

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post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rant about the concept of open source freeloaders: there's no such thing as open source freeloaders. If the license explicitly gives you the right to use the stuff for free, there's nothing wrong in using this right. While it would be the right thing to give money / otherwise support the projects you rely on, it's on the software developers who decide to give these rights (I also think it's the right thing to do thou…

freeloader (OED): a person who takes advantage of others' generosity without giving anything in return. Sounds exactly like freeloading to me. You may think of that term negatively, but it is exactly what it is.

We also find the Wiktionary definition [1]:

> One who does not contribute or pay appropriately; one who gets a free ride, etc. without paying a fair share.

Which I believe is a bit more generic (giving back might not be the only way of being fair).

> You may think of that term negatively

But the term carries a negative judgement, what's the point of this term otherwise? Without the judgemental part, you'd just say "using for free" or something.

The whole question is: is it fair to use open source software for free?

And I believe it is. Actually, this is stronger than this: I believe people should feel free to use free software for free, and should not be looked down for doing so. This is key for freedom 0 to be an actual thing. (I'm not set in stone in this position and would be happy change my mind on this though).

The notion of "giving back" can be discussed. I believe it is fair to get stuff from Person A for free and then helping B for free (later or earlier), in the hope that some person P will eventually help / have helped Person A for free for instance - this has the potential to provide everyone with a strong, helpful society and it would be even more enjoyable and reliable than a society that enforces pair to pair transactions.

Indeed, if someone always takes stuff for free and never contributes to anything, I would find this unfair (unless for some reason they can't contribute back, because of a disability or something). I would call this freeloading. Society cannot work like this. But you need the bigger picture to assess this.

When you start to try thinking about all this, the concepts of giving back, fairness, etc, it gets quite complicated. You also need to take in account the way society and the economical system works as a whole. What are the incentives, the motives, etc?

Basically, qualifying someone as a "open source freeloader" without context just because they use freedom 0 without paying is quite bold and might not be fair.

What if a company uses MinIO for free but provides some nice open source software?

Just don't judge someone too fast.

[1] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/freeloader

Re: MinIO stops distributing free Docker images

#92
Reasonable.

That seems to be the key word.

One camp argues: Expect nothing. Move on.

The other: Could they - with very little effort (reasonable) - have choosen a more palatable route.

There must be a middle ground between the nihilists and the pampered.

Re: MinIO stops distributing free Docker images

#93
post #12

It's an Open Source project - I don't understand what people are complaining about. Noone is entitled to receive free Docker images. I'm sure if there is enough demand, someone else who is trustworthy will step up and automate building them. What I'd like to complain about instead is the pricing page on the Min.io webpage - it doesn't list any pricing. Looking at https://cloudian.com/blog/minios-ui-removal-leaves-org…

Exactly. looked up their github to see what the big issue was about and they still provide the full source + the Dockerfile. It's not a huge issue that it is being made into. Does no-one know how to build a Docker image any more?

Re: MinIO stops distributing free Docker images

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post #35
post #12

It's an Open Source project - I don't understand what people are complaining about. Noone is entitled to receive free Docker images. I'm sure if there is enough demand, someone else who is trustworthy will step up and automate building them. What I'd like to complain about instead is the pricing page on the Min.io webpage - it doesn't list any pricing. Looking at https://cloudian.com/blog/minios-ui-removal-leaves-org…

When you always published and built Docker images for the public you are creating an expectation, people will rely on that and will chose your software based on that expectation. You suddenly deciding that you won't be offering updated Docker images especially after a CVE and with no prior notice (except a hidden commit 4 days ago that updated the README) is approaching malicious-level actions. If they truly cared ab…

> You suddenly deciding that you won't be offering updated Docker images especially after a CVE

I hate to break it to you, but you know the CVEs are fixed in the source code, not in the Docker Image? Just build it yourself, the good folks have even provided a Dockerfile for it.

Re: MinIO stops distributing free Docker images

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When you always published and built Docker images for the public you are creating an expectation That expectation does not entitle anybody to anything though. > people will rely on that and will chose your software based on that expectation That is their decision. Without any contract or promise, there is no obligation to anybody. > You suddenly deciding that you won't be offering updated Docker images […] is appro…

"That expectation does not entitle anybody to anything though." This is true legally, but not otherwise (socially, practically) "That is their decision. Without any contract or promise, there is no obligation to anybody." Again, true legally, but IMHO a really silly position to take overall. Imagine I provide free electricity to everyone in my town. I encourage everyone to use it. I do it all for free. I'm very caref…

This is a bad analogy. We are talking about building a very simple Docker image.

It is more like you went around your neighborhood and turned peoples lights on in the evening, then stopped.

Sure, it’s a lost convenience, but people can easily choose to just… push the button themselves. Or pay somebody to continue doing it for them. Or get a timer.

It’s really not a big deal, and there are plenty of alternatives.

Re: MinIO stops distributing free Docker images

#96

https://github.com/coollabsio/minio I was reading the github discussion and found out that coollabs has taken on the decision to make docker images for these. https://github.com/coollabsio/minio https://github.com/minio/minio/issues/21647#issuecomment-342... >Until we (the community) figure out something, I made an automated docker image version here: https://github.com/coollabsio/minio The latest release is already…

Wow, ~75 lines of Dockerfile and ~300 lines of github actions, hosted on a FREE platform.

Seriously, what is the rage here, anyone could do this.

Re: MinIO stops distributing free Docker images

#98

I wonder how many people only use Minio as a localdev S3 alternative. At least that's all we use it for really

I have a 160TB minio cluster running for 4+ years who had dealt beautifully with node outages, one drive failure and the occassional hiccups on the datacenter. I was okay with not having support because I am not part of their customer base. I was okay with not having the webUI, though I wish they made an option where the webUI would be available for some basic-tier paid customers. But I can not be okay with this move…

What is the problem exactly you are facing now?

Re: MinIO stops distributing free Docker images

#100

We're working on a binary build process now. We hope to have something up at https://github.com/golithus soon. We use MinIO (community edition) a fair amount. And while we like it, it is also becoming increasingly clear that our days of deploying are numbered. We want to start experimenting with Garage for smaller deployments, and would be interesting to hear of any production experiences there. (Anyone done multi-Pi…

Done: https://github.com/golithus/minio-builds
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