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Isn't there a link between high intelligence and depression as well?

is being good at chess a proof of human intelligence?

The ability to plan and operate several moves ahead of one’s opponent has always suggested higher intelligence.

When applied to war we celebrate the general’s brilliance. When applied to economics we say they had excellent foresight. When applied to any human endeavor, except chess, the accomplishment is celebrated as a human achievement.

This is due to humans placing great value upon thinking and planning ahead. Only the intelligent exhibit this behavior.

Re: Chess grandmaster Daniel Naroditsky has died

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Isn't there a link between high intelligence and depression as well?

is being good at chess a proof of human intelligence?

I think there's some correlation but no, you can be amazingly strong at chess and not super-intelligent by other measures, or be incredibly good at physics or philosophy or poetry or whatever and have no talent for chess.

But, having watched some of Naroditsky's videos, it seems pretty clear that he was in fact very intelligent as well as very good at chess.

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Kramnick repeatedly accused Danya of cheating, which prompted a lot of ongoing abuse from his acolytes. Danya spoke publicly about the stress this caused him several times. Of course, as ever, Kramnick had nothing to back up his claims, a fact which in no way prevented him repeating them ad-nauseum. That's not being "forthright" or "lacking tact". That's being an abusive asshole.

I hadn't follow closely enough and wasn't aware - thanks for pointing out. Kramnick accuses Danya of cheating (several pieces of circumstantial 'evidence' in the thread): https://x.com/VBkramnik/status/1911179469773033512 A tweet by IM Kostya Kavutskiy of ChessDojo from November 2024 (paraphrased): > Our intention was to express concern for what's going on. Many of us supported Kramnik's fight against online cheating…

This whole cheating kerfuffle would have never happened if people would have switched to games or variations of games that are not beaten by computers.

Re: Chess grandmaster Daniel Naroditsky has died

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There's huge pink elephant that I think many aren't aware of here.

A former chess world champion, Vladimir Kramnik, has turned into a sort of self satire seeking out cheaters in online chess. Basically everybody is cheating according to him, he even implied Hikaru Nakamura, the 2nd strongest player in the world, could be cheating.

Eventually his sights fell on Danya. At first I thought they were both kind of playing it up as a sort of a joke. For instance after the accusations Danya did a video where he had something absurd like a dozen different cameras watching him play from different angles. And in response Kramnik mentioned some petty absurdity that I can't even recall at this point - maybe there was a laptop on a chair or something? 'What is that computer Danya, suspicious, him?' And this sort of nonsense continued on for some time.

I still think Kramnik is doing it as a half-serious joke, but Danya clearly took it very seriously. He believed that his reputation had been ruined (even though just most people think Kramnik is the one who has mostly destroyed his own reputation and mostly just seen as a bit 'kooky' now a days) and Danya became a dramatically different person over about 2 years.

Previously he was kind of a happy go lucky blitz obsessed guy. But he gradually became increasingly morose and insecure. He also seemed to be losing weight, though I have no idea if that is accurate - I'm basing it solely on outside appearances which can be misleading. In any case, this was almost certainly related, and it makes the whole situation far darker.

Re: Chess grandmaster Daniel Naroditsky has died

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holy shit. there’s an interesting (but not necessarily causual in either direction) link between chess and depression https://www.chess.com/blog/AstroTheoretical_Physics/chess-pl... either how, RIP

Isn't there a link between high intelligence and depression as well?

No[1]. It is a common misconception that puts more stigma on people with mental illness. My family called my schizoaffective disorder a "gift" because I was creative and intelligent. This lead them to ignore my suffering, which made me more depressed.

[1] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9879926/

Re: Chess grandmaster Daniel Naroditsky has died

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holy shit. there’s an interesting (but not necessarily causual in either direction) link between chess and depression https://www.chess.com/blog/AstroTheoretical_Physics/chess-pl... either how, RIP

When a rate of 8% of the US population reporting having a major depressive episode in their lives, there appears to be a correlation between depression and life unfortunately:

https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/statistics/major-depression

Re: Chess grandmaster Daniel Naroditsky has died

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holy shit. there’s an interesting (but not necessarily causual in either direction) link between chess and depression https://www.chess.com/blog/AstroTheoretical_Physics/chess-pl... either how, RIP

Also: Daniel was being accused of cheating by Kramnik and visibly affected by it. I think there's a link between bullying and suicide isn't there?

One can only hope that Kramnik is held accountable for his abusive behavior that - at the very least - had contributing factors (to put it gently) to Danya's death.

Re: Chess grandmaster Daniel Naroditsky has died

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There's huge pink elephant that I think many aren't aware of here. A former chess world champion, Vladimir Kramnik, has turned into a sort of self satire seeking out cheaters in online chess. Basically everybody is cheating according to him, he even implied Hikaru Nakamura, the 2nd strongest player in the world, could be cheating. Eventually his sights fell on Danya. At first I thought they were both kind of playing…

We don’t even know yet how he died, isn’t it a bit early to pin it on someone?

Re: Chess grandmaster Daniel Naroditsky has died

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post #84

holy shit. there’s an interesting (but not necessarily causual in either direction) link between chess and depression https://www.chess.com/blog/AstroTheoretical_Physics/chess-pl... either how, RIP

When a rate of 8% of the US population reporting having a major depressive episode in their lives, there appears to be a correlation between depression and life unfortunately: https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/statistics/major-depression

Life in the fallen world is indeed dark, and certainly was darker a mere few generations ago. The difference is we have lost the frameworks generations past used for dealing with major depressive episodes, and have opted for more "enlightened" approaches that are clearly working /s
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