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OpenAI researcher announced GPT-5 math breakthrough that never happened

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Re: OpenAI researcher announced GPT-5 math breakthrough that never happened

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Humans hallucinating about AI.

Heh stockholders are not hallucinating: They know very well what they are doing.

retail investors? no way. The fever-dream may continue for a while but eventually it will end. Meanwhile we don't even know our full exposure to AI. It's going to be ugly and beyond burying gold in my backyard I can't even figure out how to hedge against this monster.

Re: OpenAI researcher announced GPT-5 math breakthrough that never happened

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People keep spouting this, but I don't see how the AI bubble bursting would be all that devastating. 2008 was a systemic breakdown rippling through the foundations of the financial system. It would lead to a market crash (80% of gains this year were big tech/AI) and likely a full recession in the US, but nothing nearly as dramatic as a global systemic crisis. In contrast to the dot com bubble, the huge AI spending is…

I think my theory into contagion would be that There’s been lots of talk about these companies starting to rack up debt, and I think AI is so tied into the US GDP that things like - If the stock market crashes, there’s lots of talk about how wealth and debt are interlinked. Could the crash be general enough to start calls on debt backed by stocks. My recollection in 2008 was that we didn’t learn about how bad it was…

> Combine this with the fact that AI is like what - 30% of the US economy? Magnificent 7 are 60%?

Nowhere close. US GDP is like $30 trillion. Open AI revenue is ~$4 billion. All the other AI companies revenue might amount to $10 billion at most, and that is being generous. $10 billion/ $30 trillaion is not even 1%.

You are forgetting all those "boring" sectors that form the basis of economies like agriculture and energy. They have always been bigger than the tech sector at any point, but they aren't "sexy" because there isn't the potential "exponential growth" that tech companies

Re: OpenAI researcher announced GPT-5 math breakthrough that never happened

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Humans hallucinating about AI.

Humans "hallucinate" in the AI way constantly, which is why I don't see them as a barrier to LLMs replacing humans in many contexts. It really isn't unusual for a human to make stuff up or be unaware of stuff.

Do you think the OpenAI human, when informed of their "oopsie" replied "You're right, there is existing evidence that this problem has already been solved. Blah Blah Blah ... and that's why our new model has made a huge breakthrough against previously unsolved math problems!"

Re: OpenAI researcher announced GPT-5 math breakthrough that never happened

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Another instance of openAI manipulating results to prolong their unsustainable circular hype bubble. The inevitable collapse could be even more devastating than the 2008 financial crisis. All while so vast resources are being wasted on non-verifiable gen AI slob, while real approaches (neuro-symbolic like DeepMind's AlphaFold) are mostly ignored financially because they don't generate the quick stock market increases…

People keep spouting this, but I don't see how the AI bubble bursting would be all that devastating. 2008 was a systemic breakdown rippling through the foundations of the financial system. It would lead to a market crash (80% of gains this year were big tech/AI) and likely a full recession in the US, but nothing nearly as dramatic as a global systemic crisis. In contrast to the dot com bubble, the huge AI spending is…

There's a few variables which can make it much worse.

The first is how much of the capital expenditures are being fueled by debt that won't be repaid, and how much that unpaid debt harms lending institutions. This is fundamentally how a few bad debts in 2008 broke the entire financial system: bad loans felled Lehman Brothers, which caused one money market fund to break the buck, which spurred a massive exodus from the money markets rather literally overnight.

The second issue is the psychological impact of 40% of market value just evaporating. A lot of people have indirect exposure to the stock market and these stocks in particular (via 401(k)s or pensions), and seeing that much of their wealth evaporate will definitely have some repercussions on consumer confidence.

Re: OpenAI researcher announced GPT-5 math breakthrough that never happened

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You must know people without egos. Humans are better at correcting their mistakes, but far worse at admitting them. But yes, as an edge case handler humans still have an edge.

LLMs by contrast love to admit their mistakes and self-flagellate, and then go on to not correct them. Seems like a worse tradeoff.

Not when your goal is to create ASI: Artificial Sycophant Intelligence

Re: OpenAI researcher announced GPT-5 math breakthrough that never happened

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I make mistakes all the time. This seems like a genuine mistake, not malice. Imagine if you were talking about your own work online, you make an honest mistake, then the whole industry roasts you for it. I’m so tired of hearing everyone take stabs at people at OpenAI just because they don’t personally like sama or something.

Maybe Open AI shouldn't be so stabable?

Re: OpenAI researcher announced GPT-5 math breakthrough that never happened

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The original tweet was clearly misunderstood... https://x.com/SebastienBubeck/status/1977181716457701775 : > gpt5-pro is superhuman at literature search: > it just solved Erdos Problem #339 (listed as open in the official database https://erdosproblems.com/forum/thread/339 ) by realizing that it had actually been solved 20 years ago https://x.com/MarkSellke/status/1979226538059931886 : > Update: Mehtaab and I pushed…

"you are totally right—I actually misunderstood" ...like, seriously? Did an AI come up with this retraction, or are humans actually talking like robots now?

Guess even the CTO of OpenAI relies on Anthropic models in a pinch...

Re: OpenAI researcher announced GPT-5 math breakthrough that never happened

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I realized they jumped the shark when they announced the pivots to ads and porn. Markets haven’t caught on yet.

The porn / sex-chat one is really disappointing. It seems they've given up even pretending that they are trying to do something beneficial for society. This is just a pure society-be-damned money grab.

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Re: OpenAI researcher announced GPT-5 math breakthrough that never happened

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To be fair to the OpenAI team, if read in context the situation is at worst ambiguous. The deleted tweet that the article is about said "GPT-5 just found solutions to 10 (!) previously unsolved Erdös problems, and made progress on 11 others. These have all been open for decades." If it had been posted stand-alone then I would certainly agree that it was misleading, but it was not. It was a quote-tweet of this: https:…

So the first guy said "solved [...] by realizing that it had actually been solved 20 years ago", and the second guy said "found solutions to 10 (!) previously unsolved Erdös problems".

Previously unsolved. The context doesn't make that true, does it?

Re: OpenAI researcher announced GPT-5 math breakthrough that never happened

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Yann LeCun's "Hoisted by their own GPTards" is fantastic.

While Yann is clearly brilliant, and has a deeper understanding of the roots of the filed than many of us mortals, I think he's been on a debbie downer trend lately, and more importantly, some of his public stances have been proven wrong in mere months / years after he made them. I remember a public talk, where he was on the stage with some young researcher from MS. (I think it was one of the authors of the "sparks o…

Pretty sure you can fill a room with serious researchers that at the very least will doubt about 2) being solved with LLMs, especially when talking about formal planning with pure LLMs and without a planning framwork.

PS: So just we're clear: formal planning in AI making a coding plan in Cursor.

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