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Solution to CIA’s Kryptos sculpture is found in Smithsonian vault

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Re: Solution to CIA’s Kryptos sculpture is found in Smithsonian vault

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So the central controversy in the story is whether the journalist fans should share the solution with the world or keep quiet for the auction. Sanborn wants the money for medical reasons so he needs to maintain a high sale price. The two fans want to share the solution with the world. Presumably the winner of the auction will be buying a severely depreciating asset: the right to know but not disclose the solution. Th…

i guess cooking meth is not an option when you have a sculpture in cia hq

jokes aside, you would be responsible for single digit percentages of the global yearly production to make this kind of coin (after the cost of equipment, precursors, money laundering, and assuming bulk sales)

just isn't realistic

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> True. The central problem described in the article is that he has cancer and doesn't want to go bankrupt from the medical bills. What bills? He’s 79 so he’d have been on Medicare for the past 14 years. Sure there’s the Medicare premiums, but that’s peanuts.

My mom's insurance with medicare generally covers 80%, she gets to pay the leftover 20%. So uh bills with medicare is totally a thing.

What about maximum out of pocket maximums? All expenses are capped at like $15k per year right?

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True. The central problem described in the article is that he has cancer and doesn't want to go bankrupt from the medical bills. I'm not a socialist and am broadly pro-capitalism, but for decades I've held a firm belief that healthcare should have a public option and people should have the ability to get high-quality medical care for $0, no matter how realistic that would be.

The simple reality is that advanced medical care is expensive. Access to advanced medical care can either by gated by one person's wealth or by the average wealth of many people. At the end of the day though, someone is paying and the only way to actually cost reduce is too have worse treatment.

The actual reason is that you'll have people going to see the doctor because their cheek's itchy (they're lonely, or clueless).

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True. The central problem described in the article is that he has cancer and doesn't want to go bankrupt from the medical bills. I'm not a socialist and am broadly pro-capitalism, but for decades I've held a firm belief that healthcare should have a public option and people should have the ability to get high-quality medical care for $0, no matter how realistic that would be.

there wouldn't be any way to compete with tax pre-paid $0 point of sale health care, so there would be no option. the term "public option" is a weasel word. there would be no private option because nobody is going to choose to pay out of pocket in addition to their taxes that already pay for care. advocate for whatever but use honest terms. you're advocating for a single payer system and there's no evading that.

> there would be no private option because nobody is going to choose to pay out of pocket in addition to their taxes that already pay for care

Every wealthy country besides Canada that provides public care is a counterpoint to this.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

My mom's insurance with medicare generally covers 80%, she gets to pay the leftover 20%. So uh bills with medicare is totally a thing.

What about maximum out of pocket maximums? All expenses are capped at like $15k per year right?

> capped at like $15k per year right?

That’s a lot of money for most retirees.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The simple reality is that advanced medical care is expensive. Access to advanced medical care can either by gated by one person's wealth or by the average wealth of many people. At the end of the day though, someone is paying and the only way to actually cost reduce is too have worse treatment.

The actual reason is that you'll have people going to see the doctor because their cheek's itchy (they're lonely, or clueless).

Mental health issues would ideally be addressed too.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

True. The central problem described in the article is that he has cancer and doesn't want to go bankrupt from the medical bills. I'm not a socialist and am broadly pro-capitalism, but for decades I've held a firm belief that healthcare should have a public option and people should have the ability to get high-quality medical care for $0, no matter how realistic that would be.

there wouldn't be any way to compete with tax pre-paid $0 point of sale health care, so there would be no option. the term "public option" is a weasel word. there would be no private option because nobody is going to choose to pay out of pocket in addition to their taxes that already pay for care. advocate for whatever but use honest terms. you're advocating for a single payer system and there's no evading that.

You realise that the impossible situation you describe is present in various places? Public and private healthcare systems existing in tandem.

Re: Solution to CIA’s Kryptos sculpture is found in Smithsonian vault

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So the central controversy in the story is whether the journalist fans should share the solution with the world or keep quiet for the auction. Sanborn wants the money for medical reasons so he needs to maintain a high sale price. The two fans want to share the solution with the world. Presumably the winner of the auction will be buying a severely depreciating asset: the right to know but not disclose the solution. Th…

Do I understand part of the complexity of the situation is that Kryptos is in some sense "crackable" (unlike real cryptography), and these two people sleuthed their way to the answer book without solving it? Which is not quite exactly the same thing as them independently working out a solution; it's more like a nicer and more legal version of breaking into the guy's house and stealing it out of his desk drawer?

Technically what they accomplished is a successful side channel attack.

Re: Solution to CIA’s Kryptos sculpture is found in Smithsonian vault

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

True. The central problem described in the article is that he has cancer and doesn't want to go bankrupt from the medical bills. I'm not a socialist and am broadly pro-capitalism, but for decades I've held a firm belief that healthcare should have a public option and people should have the ability to get high-quality medical care for $0, no matter how realistic that would be.

The simple reality is that advanced medical care is expensive. Access to advanced medical care can either by gated by one person's wealth or by the average wealth of many people. At the end of the day though, someone is paying and the only way to actually cost reduce is too have worse treatment.

Basic blood test should be $5. 99% of the more advanced ones shouldn’t cost more than $50.

Most medical care does not need to be advanced. It needs to be effective, but it doesn’t need to be expensive. It needs to be expensive to generate a hefty profit, though, especially when you have a serious condition - you then become a forced buyer and the market does what the market does with forced buyers without special regulations.

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