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Re: M5 MacBook Pro

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Post by rangestransform »

daft_pink wrote: post #38

Apple’s chip release schedule is so borked. It should be High end Pro and Studio first and then iPad, Air, Mini and downgraded Pro. Why they release the iPad and Low End Pro is beyond me. Everyone buying their high end gear is buying something waiting to be refreshed now.

Well here’s the thing, M5 is (probably) a big A19, M1 was a big A14, and so forth. The whole thing of apple silicon is that it’s large phone chips (optimized for performance per watt) rather than small workstation chips (performance at all costs)

Re: M5 MacBook Pro

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Post by coldtea »

sofixa wrote: post #64
achandlerwhite wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are the quirks with local dev that make it not fun?

Docker works very weirdly (it's a desktop application you have to install that has usage restrictions in enterprise contexts, and it's inside a VM so some things don't work), or you have to use an alternative with similar restrictions (Podman, Rancher Desktop). The OS also has weird rough edges when used from the terminal - there are read-only parts, there are restrictions on loading libraries, multiple utilities com…

>The OS also has weird rough edges when used from the terminal - there are read-only parts, there are restrictions on loading libraries, multiple utilities come with very old versions or BSD versions with different flags than the GNU ones you might be used to coming from Linux, the package manager is pretty terrible.

You use nix or brew (or something like MacPorts).

And they are mighty fine.

You shouldn't be concerned with the built-in utilities.

Re: M5 MacBook Pro

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Post by [deleted] »

hexbin010 wrote: post #89
letmetweakit wrote: post #19

Apparently, in Europe, the box will not contain a charger [1]. This is absolutely mind-blowing to me. edit: suggested retail price also dropped with EUR 100. Mind is less blown now. It seems like a good thing in fact. edit2: in Belgium, the combined price of the 70W adapter and 2m USB-C to MagSafe is EUR 120. [1] https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/new-macbook-pro-does-no...

Bizarrely you can only select a new adapter during the configuration if you select 24GB RAM or higher Prices are about 65 EUR for a 70W (tested DE + CH) The EU law states they must provide an SKU without an adapter - i.e. they're still allowed to offer one with a power adapter.

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Re: M5 MacBook Pro

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Post by tobi_bsf »

letmetweakit wrote: post #19

Apparently, in Europe, the box will not contain a charger [1]. This is absolutely mind-blowing to me. edit: suggested retail price also dropped with EUR 100. Mind is less blown now. It seems like a good thing in fact. edit2: in Belgium, the combined price of the 70W adapter and 2m USB-C to MagSafe is EUR 120. [1] https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/new-macbook-pro-does-no...

Not sure about that. I never use my official charger and the magsafe cable but man, how did we arrive here. Some things just belong to a laptop.

Re: M5 MacBook Pro

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Post by Moto7451 »

reactordev wrote: post #80
lm28469 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The real crime is that it starts at 1799 euros, which is $2100, vs $1599 in the US, I know US prices are before tax but even with 20% VAT you're far off...

Tariffs... Someone has to pay them and it sure isn't Apple.

I think you read him backwards. It’s still cheaper in the US. Tariffs certainly exist in Europe but I’m unaware of any on these laptops and US Tariffs on goods from China don’t apply to goods from China to anywhere else that isn’t the US.

Re: M5 MacBook Pro

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Post by GeekyBear »

daft_pink wrote: post #38

Apple’s chip release schedule is so borked. It should be High end Pro and Studio first and then iPad, Air, Mini and downgraded Pro. Why they release the iPad and Low End Pro is beyond me. Everyone buying their high end gear is buying something waiting to be refreshed now.

A Fab ramping up a new process node is hardly a new thing.

The standard practice is to start by producing the chips with the smallest die size.

Re: M5 MacBook Pro

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Post by 1-more »

unshavedyak wrote: post #72
1-more wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I still don't have it fully set up Highly recommend doing nix + nix-darwin + home-manager to make this declarative. Easier to futz around with.

Seconded. I have a mostly CLI setup and in my experience Nix favors that on Mac, but nonetheless it makes my Nix and Linux setups a breeze. Everything is in sync, love it. Though if you don't like Nixlang it will of course be a chore to learn/etc. It was for me.

drop $20/month for any LLM and you don't even have to learn it!

Re: M5 MacBook Pro

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Post by pigeonhole123 »

reactordev wrote: post #80
lm28469 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The real crime is that it starts at 1799 euros, which is $2100, vs $1599 in the US, I know US prices are before tax but even with 20% VAT you're far off...

Tariffs... Someone has to pay them and it sure isn't Apple.

It's much cheaper in the US

Re: M5 MacBook Pro

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Post by Zizizizz »

achandlerwhite wrote: post #56
0xfaded wrote: post #52

To any Linux users, I recently bought a fully loaded M4 MacBook pro to replace my aging Lenovo and strongly regret it. I thought I would use it for playing with LLMs, but local dev on a Mac is not fun and I still don't have it fully set up. I'll probably replace it with a framework at some point in the near future. Edit: okay, that garnered more attention than I expected, I guess I owe a qualification. 1. Everything…

What are the quirks with local dev that make it not fun?

For me, who came from linux the only thing I don't like is the overview menu's lack of an (x) to close a window. The way slack stacks windows within the app so it's hard to find the right one. Pressing the red button doesn't close the app from appearing in your CMD+Tab cycle between apps, you also have to press CMD+Q. (Just a preference to how windows and linux treat windows, actually closing them. Rectangle resolved the snap to corner thing (I know MacOS has it natively too but it's not too great in comparison).

Things I prefer: Raycast + it's plugins compared to the linux app search tooling, battery life, performance. Brew vs the linux package managers I don't notice much of a difference.

Things that are basically the same: The dev experience (just a shell and my dotfiles has it essentially the same between OS's)

Re: M5 MacBook Pro

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Post by coldtea »

martypitt wrote: post #61
0xfaded wrote: post #52

To any Linux users, I recently bought a fully loaded M4 MacBook pro to replace my aging Lenovo and strongly regret it. I thought I would use it for playing with LLMs, but local dev on a Mac is not fun and I still don't have it fully set up. I'll probably replace it with a framework at some point in the near future. Edit: okay, that garnered more attention than I expected, I guess I owe a qualification. 1. Everything…

I appreciate this comment! I'm often envious of these Macbook announcements, as the battery life on my XPS is poor (~2ish hours) when running Ubuntu. (No idea if it's also bad on Windows - as I haven't run it in years). Thanks for the heads-up.

Not that useful as a heads up.

MacOS is great for development. Tons of high profile devs, from Python and ML, to JS, Java, Go, Rust and more use it - the very people who headline major projects for those languages.

2ish hours battery life is crazy. It's 8+ hours with the average Macbook.

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