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Apple Vision Pro upgraded with M5 chip

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Re: Apple Vision Pro upgraded with M5 chip

#91

Oh boy. This is bad for Vision Pro... Apple would never make such a small deal about upgrading the chip in one of their products unless they thought that product was toast. I wonder if they're just in full pivot mode to glasses.

If they thought the product was toast why would they bother updating the processor? It isn't like they update the processor in the mac pro regularly or anything.

Re: Apple Vision Pro upgraded with M5 chip

#92
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple is not in the business of selling productivity software. Even their desktops/MacOS segment is an insignificant historical afterthought by now. To a first approximation, Apple is a manufacturer of locked-down handheld entertainment appliances whose primary function is to psychologically condition children into siphoning off money from their inattentive parents. There's no reason to suspect their vision for the A…

Weird, that description doesn't apply at all to my experiences as a developer using Macs for the last few years. Personally I find a Mac to be a better development environment than Windows even for Microsoft tech like the dotnet stack.

> Personally

That word right there means that we can both be correct, because I personally find MacOS to be frustrating for Dev compared to every other alternative. Great for creativity, but not so much for productivity.

Re: Apple Vision Pro upgraded with M5 chip

#93
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They didn't said that.

"$3.5k for 256 GB is extreme" 256GB is $3499; 512GB is $3699; 1TB is $3899. You're paying ~$200 for that storage.

... for the difference between the 256 and 512 version. You could argue that for 3500 USD there should already be more storage than that included. There are even 400 USD Android smartphones with 512 GB of storage.

Re: Apple Vision Pro upgraded with M5 chip

#94
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I was super interested in the Vision Pro when it was first released. Then I found out they went with an app model and the device could only display a single MacOS window. There went my dream of surrounding myself with a bunch of vim windows and terminals. If they'd focused on maximizing the device's usefulness instead of its revenue stream, maybe things would have worked out better.

My sentiments exactly. This would be such an easy purchase to justify if it weren't just a toy-- no other VR headset touts to display text so crisply. But instead, their only market demographic are people who really enjoy going to theaters alone. I'm very eagerly looking forward to Valve's headset coming out.

There are three problems with AVP: cost, cost and cost.

It is priced to be a pack-in with seats of Dassault 3DEXPERIENCE, but Meta's experience has been that the VR consumer is price sensitive which is why they followed up the MQ3 with the cost-reduced MQ3S.

I think Apple is looking at this the way they look at AirPods (something you stick in your ears to modify and augment your hearing) which is good and monitors, which is bad. Apple's always sold a tiny number of monitors with astronomical margins which looked like a good business because they didn't have to invest in product innovation to make them the way they do for the AVP -- and they didn't need software developers to invest in product innovation for their monitors, but the AVP absolutely requires it. And if they aren't shipping enough units, who is going to make software for it?

Re: Apple Vision Pro upgraded with M5 chip

#95
post #29

It's still crazy to me that they put an M5 chip in this thing, but to run Mac apps you need a Mac. Just let the face computer be a computer!

Mac apps will expect a full set of Mac hardware (not just the CPU), so you’d probably need to run a full virtual Mac for compatibility. Not impossible, but I expect it’s not a priority either.

What? No, that's not how any of this works.

Re: Apple Vision Pro upgraded with M5 chip

#96
post #23

I was super interested in the Vision Pro when it was first released. Then I found out they went with an app model and the device could only display a single MacOS window. There went my dream of surrounding myself with a bunch of vim windows and terminals. If they'd focused on maximizing the device's usefulness instead of its revenue stream, maybe things would have worked out better.

My sentiments exactly. This would be such an easy purchase to justify if it weren't just a toy-- no other VR headset touts to display text so crisply. But instead, their only market demographic are people who really enjoy going to theaters alone. I'm very eagerly looking forward to Valve's headset coming out.

Valve already has a headset out…well before Apple had one.

https://www.valvesoftware.com/en/index/headset

Re: Apple Vision Pro upgraded with M5 chip

#97

I love my first gen Apple Vision Pro. I find that most of the criticism isn’t addressed at the product and technology, but at the price and Apple’s strategy. Price will go down in five years, once the tech mature la. For now this is a bit like how the Oculus DK1 was. An early device to explore what the overall vision is about, and figure out the apps.

What do you use it for?

How often do you use it?

Re: Apple Vision Pro upgraded with M5 chip

#98
post #55

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Re: "VR for working on a plane" - you could look into XR glasses like the ones from XReal or Viture. I've been considering a pair for myself after hearing good feedback from some friends, and seeing some good reviews online. The latest versions have head tracking so the virtual screen remains "pinned" in your view. They're also much smaller and easier to carry compared to a full VR headset, and they can plug into alm…

I’ve been tempted, but a lot of the forum feedback (ie not the breathless YouTube “reviews”), suggest that optically they are pretty bad, especially near the edges.

The xReal ones are extremely workable. Like, you wouldn't want to do it by preference if a good monitor was available, but easily good enough for a situation where you don't want to use a monitor or don't have one.

Re: Apple Vision Pro upgraded with M5 chip

#99
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They didn't said that.

"$3.5k for 256 GB is extreme" 256GB is $3499; 512GB is $3699; 1TB is $3899. You're paying ~$200 for that storage.

You removed some words just now, which changes the meaning of the sentence.

> but the base $3.5k spec with only 256 GB is extreme.

The plain meaning of this sentence is "I expect more than 256 GB of storage when paying $3.5K for a device". You can argue for or against that if you like (I don't give a shit, because I would not buy it at any price), but not against something they did not say.

Re: Apple Vision Pro upgraded with M5 chip

#100

I'd preferred they'd downgraded the price instead, but snark aside is it still really the only headset with twin 4K resolution or are there others?

Shiftall Meganex 8K is out, and Pimax Dream Air is upcoming. But those are PCVR headsets, not... whatever the AVP is.
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