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That's not true, either, but I understand it's important for a certain sort of FOSS person to believe it anyway.
take it up with the fundamentalists, I'm a Mac Emacs user.
Ah, fair. Me too.
Bare Metal (The Emacs Essay)
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"I've also been diagnosed with severe hostility towards Vim users but that's not a real disease of course. The real disease is Vim." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urcL86UpqZc
Reminds me of Richard Stallman and how he used to do a character "St. igGNUcias of the Church of Emacs" who would answer questions like "Is using Vi a sin?" with "Yes, but one that is its own penance!"
Oh, did he stop?
Re: Bare Metal (The Emacs Essay)
#93To me the charming thing about Emacs is how introspective a program it is. This goes beyond all the documentation being built-in, and being able to redefine things on the fly. For instance, it's easy to define a keybinding that does "Take me to the source code of the command that's bound to the next keybinding I type". When you use that and land at a destination, it will probably be Elisp code, but in some cases will…
I have never once thought Visual Studio needs some way to edit its own source code on the fly... whats the actual use case?
Good question, you may have to be the ultimate power user to need this feature? What are those people doing?
Re: Bare Metal (The Emacs Essay)
#94To me the charming thing about Emacs is how introspective a program it is. This goes beyond all the documentation being built-in, and being able to redefine things on the fly. For instance, it's easy to define a keybinding that does "Take me to the source code of the command that's bound to the next keybinding I type". When you use that and land at a destination, it will probably be Elisp code, but in some cases will…
I have never once thought Visual Studio needs some way to edit its own source code on the fly... whats the actual use case?
Yeah, before Emacs, it never occurred to me to even think of trying to control my browser from my editor.
I never thought that I can type just about any text, not in the input box of some app, but in my editor - with Emacs, if I need to type anything longer that three words - in Slack app, Zoom chat, browser window, etc., I'll do it in my editor, why have I never thought about this before?
Emacs has no business of taking screenshots, yet I use it to do just that - I'd insert a screenshot while taking notes, OCRing the text out of image when desired.
Before Emacs, I never thought of playing and controlling videos from my editor or driving my WM from it - I simply never thought how advantageous could that even be.
I can't really use anything else without feeling constrained specifically because [mostly] nothing else allows me to type some Lisp in just about any buffer, evaluate it in place and immediately affect not only my editor but any computational aspect on a local or remote machine.
In essence, Emacs is a mindset. Non-Emacs folk often don't see the "actual use cases" because their minds operate on a different plane. And for some, once they crack open that door of possibilities, there's really no turning back.
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employment is apparently the highest achievement a person can aspire to Your words, not mine. But gene propagation is up there, and steady wages is a sufficient if not necessary condition for that to happen.
Never in my 20 years of programming, data engineering, engineering management of games, search engines, dating apps and machine learning systems I had a problem of people not wanting to hire me because I prefered Emacs (and linux). In fact, in was the opposite. So what are you even talking about?
The opposite is also true. I have never heard anyone climbing the ladder specifically because they are "so fucking good" with [insert whatever IDE/editor]
Dude is saying nonsense. "Emacs users are unemployable" sounds like "Tesla drivers unregisterable" - what an imbecilic, utter bullshit that has zero sense to say. Ever.
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I have never once thought Visual Studio needs some way to edit its own source code on the fly... whats the actual use case?
Good question, you may have to be the ultimate power user to need this feature? What are those people doing?
Vibing. It's a state of zen and connection to the technology that you use.
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#97https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36621699 The original terminal emulator terminal.el in gnu emacs, written by mly (Richard Mlynarik), was particularly salty. I finally tracked down a copy, but it looks like somebody complained and in 1990 it was begrudgingly cleaned up a bit, so some of the worst stuff was moved out into a separate file called term-nasty.el for posterity (you, here, now), so as not to give "in to…
Maybe if it weren't for the above ranting, POSIX wouldn't have gotten its shit together to clean up the terminal situation and come up with the stuff.
Today I have a way of using stuff to even control the Windows cmd.exe console.
It's the most portable thing there is for getting clean character-at-a-time input, with Ctrl-D and everything.
Re: Bare Metal (The Emacs Essay)
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Since employment is apparently the highest achievement a person can aspire to, this post and emacs users in general, must be of such lesser value I guess? /s
employment is apparently the highest achievement a person can aspire to Your words, not mine. But gene propagation is up there, and steady wages is a sufficient if not necessary condition for that to happen.
The implications behind gene propagation being one of the highest achievements a person can aspire to are quite unfortunate to consider.
Regardless, I don't think anyone is going to, say, avoid a specific doctor because said doctor is fond of Emacs. Same for a plumber, a baker, an electrician, a lawyer, et cetera. As a matter of fact, I have a hard time thinking of any profession where a fondness for Emacs may be considered a bad thing. Perhaps a software developer may have a harder time finding gainful employment if potential employers find out about the preference for Emacs, though that would likely only be an issue among a limited and specific set of potential employers.
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I have never once thought Visual Studio needs some way to edit its own source code on the fly... whats the actual use case?
Good question, you may have to be the ultimate power user to need this feature? What are those people doing?
anything. we're doing anything.
Re: Bare Metal (The Emacs Essay)
#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have never once thought Visual Studio needs some way to edit its own source code on the fly... whats the actual use case?
Yeah, before Emacs, it never occurred to me to even think of trying to control my browser from my editor. I never thought that I can type just about any text, not in the input box of some app, but in my editor - with Emacs, if I need to type anything longer that three words - in Slack app, Zoom chat, browser window, etc., I'll do it in my editor, why have I never thought about this before? Emacs has no business of ta…
> Non-Emacs folk often don't see the "actual use cases" because their minds operate on a different plane.
youve just listed a bunch of scripts launched from emacs. with your logic, you can take the lisp interpreter out of emacs, stick it into say mspaint, and have an equally powerful program.