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Ofcom fines 4chan £20K and counting for violating UK's Online Safety Act

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Re: Ofcom fines 4chan £20K and counting for violating UK's Online Safety Act

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post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Presumably that was a typo since it seemed like a pretty sane commend otherwise.

Yes, I assume they meant "precedent".

Yes, fixed. I often spell both words wrong and click on the spelling suggestion. Autocorrect got me to the wrong one.

Re: Ofcom fines 4chan £20K and counting for violating UK's Online Safety Act

#92

What do they seek to accomplish here? There is strong precedent for the US defending the 1st amendment against foreign interests. No UK bureaucrats are going to make a career out of this. Going after a company that can defend itself and can't be intimidated, will prevent them from bluffing successfully against smaller companies, who could realistically be intimidated. If I were working at Ofcom, I would stay away fro…

4chan are the “think of the children” bad guys to make an example out of.

This isn’t a play to get money or 4chan to comply, it’s a play to increase the strength of their legislation. So expect stronger blocking etc to be on the cards to prevent foreign entities from avoiding the law.

Re: Ofcom fines 4chan £20K and counting for violating UK's Online Safety Act

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post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you’re overanalyzing it. They’re just enforcing the law. You and I may agree that it’s a bad law, but that doesn’t mean that the people in charge of enforcing it necessarily have complex and sinister motives.

I don't agree that wanting to further one's own career is complex or sinister. If the enforcement of laws wasn't aligned with career progress it would be bad for enforcement, including the laws that you and I want enforced. Even if the goal is just enforcement, you would get more enforcement, collect more fines, if you didn't put your ability to actually collect fines into question. When 4chan successfully defends it…

Sure I mean, people generally want to do their jobs, which in this case means fining sites that don’t comply with the legislation. I don’t see any reason to think that it’s more complex than that. If 4chan doesn’t comply then the site will probably be blocked by UK ISPs, so I don’t think the logic in your second paragraph really goes through.

Re: Ofcom fines 4chan £20K and counting for violating UK's Online Safety Act

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post #71

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Threatening with prison or a fine of double digit millions of pounds doesn't seem very symbolic.

It’s quite literally the perfect example of symbolic action.

Imprisonment is the polar opposite of symbolic action.

Re: Ofcom fines 4chan £20K and counting for violating UK's Online Safety Act

#95

What do they seek to accomplish here? There is strong precedent for the US defending the 1st amendment against foreign interests. No UK bureaucrats are going to make a career out of this. Going after a company that can defend itself and can't be intimidated, will prevent them from bluffing successfully against smaller companies, who could realistically be intimidated. If I were working at Ofcom, I would stay away fro…

4chan are the “think of the children” bad guys to make an example out of. This isn’t a play to get money or 4chan to comply, it’s a play to increase the strength of their legislation. So expect stronger blocking etc to be on the cards to prevent foreign entities from avoiding the law.

Yes the government have already talked about banning VPNs and government taking copies of your private keys :-/

Re: Ofcom fines 4chan £20K and counting for violating UK's Online Safety Act

#97

What do they seek to accomplish here? There is strong precedent for the US defending the 1st amendment against foreign interests. No UK bureaucrats are going to make a career out of this. Going after a company that can defend itself and can't be intimidated, will prevent them from bluffing successfully against smaller companies, who could realistically be intimidated. If I were working at Ofcom, I would stay away fro…

4chan are the “think of the children” bad guys to make an example out of. This isn’t a play to get money or 4chan to comply, it’s a play to increase the strength of their legislation. So expect stronger blocking etc to be on the cards to prevent foreign entities from avoiding the law.

"They won't comply so these new restrictions are for your own good, citizen"

Re: Ofcom fines 4chan £20K and counting for violating UK's Online Safety Act

#98
post #12

Do they even have any legal presence in UK to fine?

I assume it's mostly symbolic and/or serving some greater legal purpose.

Agreed, but if anything, it just shows how they lack teeth to mandate any action outside their jurisdiction.

If an entire continent was at stake, this would be a different story. But, in the end, the UK is small in the grand scheme of things. Any website operated outside the UK won't care, and actively demonstrating this is pretty illogical from their part.

Re: Ofcom fines 4chan £20K and counting for violating UK's Online Safety Act

#99
post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you’re overanalyzing it. They’re just enforcing the law. You and I may agree that it’s a bad law, but that doesn’t mean that the people in charge of enforcing it necessarily have complex and sinister motives.

I don't agree that wanting to further one's own career is complex or sinister. If the enforcement of laws wasn't aligned with career progress it would be bad for enforcement, including the laws that you and I want enforced. Even if the goal is just enforcement, you would get more enforcement, collect more fines, if you didn't put your ability to actually collect fines into question. When 4chan successfully defends it…

>> When 4chan successfully defends itself

How do you expect this to happen? The law is pretty clear and afaik 4chan has been pretty explicit that they know the law and they're ignoring it. 4chan's 'out' is that they don't have any legal presence in the UK. More legitimate enterprises do so the results of this will have no bearing on them.

Re: Ofcom fines 4chan £20K and counting for violating UK's Online Safety Act

#100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean Russia has fined Google 20 decillion USD. What is the point if you can't collect? Like me fining my neighbor 100 million Euro. He will laugh at me and tell me to get lost. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdxvnwkl5kgo

Are you likening the UK to Russia? This is not a fictive fine, it's threats of imprisonment, and ignoring the whole thing means having to avoid travelling to or through the UK for life, and that's assuming the UK doesn't try to activate any sort of extradition agreements. Even without going to prison, that's a permanent and quite significant theft of freedom of movement. If you ever travel abroad, you could end up ac…

I really fail to see the difference between this and Russia's fine.
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