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Re: Apple accused of ripping off famous Swiss clock design

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We have a proverb here in Spain that you can translate as he who sows the wind shall reap the whirlwind

That's a familiar proverb in English as well. It appears in the (Hebrew) Bible, in Hosea 8:7 - http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hosea+8%3A7&...

Re: Apple accused of ripping off famous Swiss clock design

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No, no, no you guys don't understand. This is not a cheap rip-off. It's an homage and the Swiss will be honoured that their famous clock has been elevated to the high-art status of Apple design and innovation. The critical eye of an average iPhone user will appreciate the fine craftsmanship & precision of the painstaking work that went into translating the iconic clock into an exact digital replica.

Sorry, I don't understand the satire here. It sounds like you're mimicking the response to claims that Apple stole designs from Braun? But the two situations are nothing alike -- cribbing industrial design elements from defunct products is a far cry from duplicating a trademarked image more or less exactly. It seems more likely you're trying to dig on Apple for going thermonuclear on trade dress while at the same tim…

This sounds like it would likely be a Trademark infringement suit, which would be expected. Trademarks, if unprotected can lose their value. Having showing it on 100+ million of your devices should meet that requirement.

Re: Apple accused of ripping off famous Swiss clock design

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

People probably feel that it is hypocritical to sue one company for copying your designs, and then turn around and copy designs off someone else, especially when they happen right a few months apart. Personally, my moral compass immediately feels that this is worse than just plain copying, and I assume that is why people are reacting with a stronger anti-Apple sentiment here.

This is a digression, but I have trouble with the idea of hypocrisy in general. It's difficult for me to conceive that, morally, espousing wrong beliefs and adhering to them in one's personal life is better than espousing wrong beliefs while at least doing the right thing oneself. (Assuming the people who made these decisions have any interaction with each other:) If intellectual property is well grounded, Apple is r…

Ignorance of the law is no excuse, but knowing what you're doing is really a black mark against you.

Hypocrisy implies a blatantly willful action. It also obliterates your argument. It is arguing against your own case.

Re: Apple accused of ripping off famous Swiss clock design

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

the satire here should be something about how Apple has no right copying someone else's hard work just to make a quick buck, and that a numberless clock face with highly contrasting colors seems obvious now only because they went to so much effort to work it out. There's nothing satirical about that. It's pretty obvious this is about perceived hypocrisy on Apple's part. Apple sues for trade dress violations and has n…

> There's nothing satirical about that. It's pretty obvious this is about perceived hypocrisy on Apple's part. That's what I'm saying. This is pretty clear-cut. There's going to be a lawsuit. It's definitely ironic, and maybe a bit hypocritical, but when does it get actually funny? Aside from the fact that it's IP infringement, this doesn't have a lot to do with the Samsung suit, and it doesn't even have that to do w…

Hypocrisy and irony are funny. It's pretty much standard practice to ridicule hypocrites (see pretty much every issue of The Onion). If someone criticizes an action and then does that very thing or worse, people lampoon him. I don't know what you find so perplexing about that.

The grandparent poster was satirizing Apple's hypocrisy, not the state of design patent/trade dress laws. The satire was not about those laws being too strong. It was about how Apple says one thing but does another.

Re: Apple accused of ripping off famous Swiss clock design

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On an unrelated note, I wish there was a wall clock with the real Swiss stop-to-go[1] action... Edit: and [2] would make for a great 11.5" laptop sticker [1] http://www.3quarks.com/en/StationClock/index.html [2] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b2/SBB-CFF-FFS.sv...

You can get master clocks and slave clocks on eBay, antique or not, with lots of character or not. But they're a pain, since you need to connect the slave to the master with a cable.

Re: Apple accused of ripping off famous Swiss clock design

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Well before Apple adapted it, it was used only by a very tiny fraction of the worlds population. Apple made it a mass market success. Therefore I think it is fair to say that Apple actually invented the design. The Swiss tried but failed to make it popular. Apple did it right.

Re: Apple accused of ripping off famous Swiss clock design

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Hey everybody, it's legally ok. Here's why: The software on the Apple side could not be placed into the processor on the clock, and vice versa, and that means they're not interchangeable.

Interchangeability is not concept in patent or trademark law that I'm aware of. Do you have a legal citation?

Re: Apple accused of ripping off famous Swiss clock design

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> In 2009, Apple sent a letter of rejection to popular app developer Tapbots -- the makers of Tweetbot and other iOS apps -- saying the clock icon the company used in its pocket converter application looked too much like the icon used in Apple's own telephone app. Yes the appropriate response to Apple's ridiculous actions is to act in the same manor. /s Rather than pointing out hypocrisy, how about pointing out how E…

"how about pointing out how EVERYTHING is a copy of everything before it in design."

That was the sensible position to take before courts started to award billions of dollars in damages for design infringements.

Re: Apple accused of ripping off famous Swiss clock design

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post #97

Hey everybody, it's legally ok. Here's why: The software on the Apple side could not be placed into the processor on the clock, and vice versa, and that means they're not interchangeable.

Interchangeability is not concept in patent or trademark law that I'm aware of. Do you have a legal citation?

It was an argument in the recent Apple vs Samsung court battle. Samsung's prior art was dismissed, one of the jurors explained that it didn't count because the software of the prior art phone would not run on a modern phone.

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I'm as hopeful that Apple gets served its own medicine like the next guy, but this seems more like a common sense design rather than a copy. In fact, I once made a mechanical clock that looks virtually identical to the iOS example and this was years before iOS was unleashed on the world. It's just thick lines and thin lines thrown together. The hands aren't even tapered like the Mondaine's. This seems like a desperat…

It's the red circle on the second hand that clinches it. It's not identical though, the minute markers are thinner, and the minute hand doesn't reach all the way to the rim. That said, how many way are there already to design a clock?

There are a lot of ways. You could have numbers with different fonts and font sizes, for examples. Digital clocks. Just check into your next warehouse, lots of different clocks available.
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