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England. Scotland. Germany.
America was built on immigrants from Europe indeed founded it upon it.
Non Europeans weren't allowed to immigrate (en masse) to America until 1970 Hart Cellar act.
Not saying that's right or wrong it's just a fact.
America is cultural and genetic sibling to Europe.
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Being okay is a lot different from maintaining academic, innovative, and cultural dominance which provides a standard of living many have grown used to.
Are you saying America was a backwater nation until non-european immigrants rescued them?
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U.S. colleges poised to close in next decade, expert says - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45171434 - September 2025 Looming 'demographic cliff': Fewer college students and fewer graduate - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42634596 - January 2025
Yep. This is, of course, what's really happening, same as before. The next step is that highly educated jobs in the industry disappear, which then gives you cheap colleges with great teachers, but not much reason to study, and then we're back where we started this whole debacle in the 1990s.
Picture Bob Jones U at Harvard scale. Or the Musk school of engineering where they teach that sensor fusion is a bad idea actually.
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because the infrastructure in their home countries likely don't exist. some people are just that much smarter and need such an environment. Or, there's risk to being in their home country where academic freedom might not really be a thing. it's like why if you show serious promise in soccer at a young age, you go to Europe as soon as you can - you will be better developed there in a more mature environment as opposed…
Why not build the infrastructure with their smarts?
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You must've been pretty busy hanging out with a statistically significant quantity of all of them.
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> All those students, along with their talent and money and connections went _somewhere_ so that’s a shame for USA. Money? Yes. Talent and connections? Not necessarily. Top PhD students are still coming to America. It’s the money-grabbing 12-month masters programs that are the problem. Come buy a F-1 student visa for $200k! It’s the Trump silver card.
>Top PhD students are still coming to America. They probably are, and that won't stop anytime soon. The question is how much talent is being lost now.
The admin stopping some research for no reason probably got a lot of PhD students quite distrustful of the US, that could cause some of them to go back after their thesis. Top PhD often choose countries for the lab director and the thesis subject. The US lost a few lab directors in the last 6 months, and at least in therapeutic engineering this year doesn't propose a lot of new thesis subjects (less than last year it seems), but maybe they keep them for their own students.
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Being okay is a lot different from maintaining academic, innovative, and cultural dominance which provides a standard of living many have grown used to.
Are you saying America was a backwater nation until non-european immigrants rescued them?
All those students, along with their talent and money and connections went _somewhere_ so that’s a shame for USA.
> that’s a shame for USA billionaires Fixed that for you. Wealth distribution is far from equitable and immigration by and large benefits the wealthy. They financially benefit from the cheap labor and are mostly immune from the downsides. The US did great for hundreds of years with the limited immigration we had from primarily European countries. The world we live in today was built with that approach. Remains to be…
Or a visit to California railroad museum documenting Japanese immigrants building railroads?