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Re: Zürich voters ban noisy leaf blowers

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Are many HN members in Zürich? I was suprised to see this type of news with so many points, though it's quite amusing to see the mixture of different topics in the front page.

Zürich has a world class university plus an incredible amount of tech companies.

Re: Zürich voters ban noisy leaf blowers

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Are many HN members in Zürich? I was suprised to see this type of news with so many points, though it's quite amusing to see the mixture of different topics in the front page.

Zurich and its environs are basically the Bay Area of Europe. Probably explains the huge concentration of HN users.

Also, it's currently the middle of the night in the USA, so current users will skew towards those outside the Americas.

Re: Zürich voters ban noisy leaf blowers

#93
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Is that why some YouTubers started to make ads for a "sue your motorcycle speeding tickets invalid" company as if this is really working, because it is? Germany has such a specific way of making laws with holes.

I'm not so sure that's actually true, because when you get a speeding ticket, the owner absolutely is fined. He has a right to identify the driver or just take it on himself.

If you Google "geblitzt anzweifeln" or something you find several companies doing exactly that. Most claim something like 50% of speeding tickets are wrong. One site claims they make 12% of their cases invalid.

I really have no idea about all that. Just some absurdity I recently noticed.

Re: Zürich voters ban noisy leaf blowers

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Are many HN members in Zürich? I was suprised to see this type of news with so many points, though it's quite amusing to see the mixture of different topics in the front page.

Yes and I am also surprised to see this news here. (I voted yes to the restriction) We also approved an initiative for cheaper public transport which is cool.

Re: Zürich voters ban noisy leaf blowers

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honestly i don't get the point of leaf blowers, you move the leaves with an extremely loud gasoline powered machine from one place to another for what purpose, to make it someone else's problem and then they can blow them back?

I have been wondering also about this. Why would you use a leaf blower when you can use an electric leaf mulcher, which shreds the leaves, seed and sticks. You can then dispose the leaves in your garden or put it into bio waste.

Re: Zürich voters ban noisy leaf blowers

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Hundreds of years gardening was done without leaf blowers. People used rakes. When you work in gardening, you are paid to do so. If people in Zürich decide to pay more for gardening and reduce noise, it's their decision. (though quite frankly, from using a rake myself and watching people here use leaf blowers, I'm not sure they are faster in any way)

this with leaf blowing, where do people blow their leaves/branches/trash to? to roads? to neighbors? making roads flood by blocking road drainage? what about all these noise and dust from leaf-blowing? (even not counting all those fuel burning...) maybe those leaf-blowing promoters are the "arseholes" ? just rake them, put them in big bags & compost them

They blow them into piles on their own property or collect them in bags and send them to compost.

Not everyone, sure, but this isn't an issue of rakes Vs leaf-blowers and it isn't the problem with two-stroke leaf blowers.

If anything, people with leaf blowers probably put more thought into what they do with their leaves, because they have a bigger volume of them to deal with.

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It is, if anything, anti-functional: unless it smothers everything the litter provides nitrogen and nutrients as it decomposes. Getting rid of all the litter for that “perfect lawn” requires re-introducing nitrogen artificially (historically lawns would be grown with clover, the clover being a nitrogen fixer for the grass, that stopped being a thing when people started widely applying broad-leaf herbicides like 2,4D,…

100%, like cutting grass, all the stuff you cut and move out of your lawn is nutrients leaving your soil, do that long enough and you'll get dead soil, then you'll need to buy compost... which is made from the leaves, grass cuts and bio trash that you city charges you to collect. It's a perfect cycle really. > the lawn industry then labelled clover a weed to make killing it a goal rather than a negative side effect P…

When we bought our house about 7 years ago, the lawn was in terrible shape. I’m not a huge fan of lawns—-I’ve been slowly converting it to a garden—-but my wife likes one. Instead of going chemlawn like many of our neighbors, instead we started planting clover. This horrified my father in law, who spends inordinate amounts of time removing clover and dandelions from his lawn. Anyway, after years of planting clover and the occasional overseeding with grass seed in the fall, our lawn now looks very nice. And it stays nice even during drought (like right now). We also just mulch all the fallen leaves with a mulching blade on our lawnmower. So much easier than picking up the leaves, and you can barely tell that I did not rake them. Admittedly the lawn is not 100% grass, but who cares? This is not a golf course.

Re: Zürich voters ban noisy leaf blowers

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I live in the Netherlands. Moved right next to a cycling path that connects my district with the rest of the city. Big mistake - the sound of mopeds is unbearable. On top of that, there are kids who enjoy revving their engines. The sound drives me mad, but for reasons out of scope of this comment I can't move out. Fortunately, the city scheduled a ban on combustion engine mopeds. The problem is that it'll take a few years for the ban to come into force.

Funnily, previously I lived next to a railway and also under fly path of airplanes and these sounds never bothered me. It's the tiny combustion engines that make high-pitched noises that are the worst.

Re: Zürich voters ban noisy leaf blowers

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post #94
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Are many HN members in Zürich? I was suprised to see this type of news with so many points, though it's quite amusing to see the mixture of different topics in the front page.

Yes and I am also surprised to see this news here. (I voted yes to the restriction) We also approved an initiative for cheaper public transport which is cool.

We also approved the eID, pretty sure that's going to bite our a*

Re: Zürich voters ban noisy leaf blowers

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At the Gold-coast the worst offenders are the Bugatti, Lotus and Ferrari leasers...how is it legal to be that loud??

People have loud motorbikes and cars because they want attention. It seems very fundamentally selfish. I've spent a lot of time in the countryside where there is a motorway in the distance, and the general low rumble road noise seems to be mostly the tires etc. But then sometimes a loud motorbike revs and that really carries and intrudes.

Motorbikes herald a man’s passage unto the alehouse, where he doth hold court and lament, ‘Why must my women always cheat on me?’
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