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Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in Chat Control [pdf]

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Re: Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in Chat Control [pdf]

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AAAAaccountAAAA wrote: post #67
nickslaughter02 wrote: post #31

I think many outside of EU dismiss this as an EU only thing and don't think much about it. 1. Have you ever texted someone from EU? You are now chat controlled too. 2. EU is pumping billions to foreign countries to promote EU values. How long until they condition this "help" with chat control?

It's definitely not an EU only thing. China, Russia and such have been doing this for years. There have been attempts to introduce it in US (EARN IT Act) as well, and the current regime there might very well end up doing that. Australia has also been pretty authoritarian what it comes to this kind of things.

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Re: Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in Chat Control [pdf]

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Post by afh1 »

dinoqqq wrote: post #88
killparty wrote: post #5

Handle jetzt: https://chat-kontrolle.eu/index.php/2025/10/02/der-kampf-geg... Info: https://netzpolitik.org/2025/eu-ueberwachungsplaene-die-chat... "Wichtige Stimmen wie Amnesty International, Reporter ohne Grenzen und der Chaos Computer Club appellieren eindringlich an die Bundesregierung, die Chatkontrolle zu verhindern. Sie warnen vor einem Angriff auf die Pressefreiheit, einem IT-Sicherheitsalptraum und einer Gef…

Politicians to reach out to in Germany, with a template email: poststelle@bmi.bund.de, poststelle@bmjv.bund.de, info@bmds.bund.de, baerbel.bas@bundestag.de, lars.klingbeil@bundestag.de, friedrich.merz@bundestag.de, landesleitung@csu-bayern.de, fraktion@cducsu.de, matthias.miersch@bundestag.de, sebastian.fiedler@bundestag.de, alexander.throm@bundestag.de, johannes.schaetzl@bundestag.de, ralph.brinkhaus@bundestag.de Se…

lol

Re: Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in Chat Control [pdf]

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Post by AAAAaccountAAAA »

nickslaughter02 wrote: post #71
AAAAaccountAAAA wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's definitely not an EU only thing. China, Russia and such have been doing this for years. There have been attempts to introduce it in US (EARN IT Act) as well, and the current regime there might very well end up doing that. Australia has also been pretty authoritarian what it comes to this kind of things.

I don't understand your response and the downvotes. I'm saying Chat Control will spread to other countries. I'm aware of attempts from other countries. Add France and Sweden to your list.

I primarily meant that I haven't really encountered the belief that it was somehow EU specific

Re: Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in Chat Control [pdf]

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Post by mtlmtlmtlmtl »

keanb wrote: post #9
udev4096 wrote: post #7

How would chat control even work, with federated and decentralized networks? This is the reason you should not use signal. Moxie wants everyone to be in a closed loop, tightly controlled by his decisions. Matrix ftw!

You make those networks illegal to use. Just using them would be illegal, regardless of the contents of your communications.

Yes, because criminals and pedophiles care deeply about following laws. They would never even think of using a piece of software if it was illegal, right?

Re: Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in Chat Control [pdf]

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Post by IlikeKitties »

Asmod4n wrote: post #90
_9ptr wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What? Are you saying that the CDU is secretly working for the AfD? First time I heard that, what bubble are you from?

There isn’t much difference between our current Chancellor and a AfD member of Parlament.

As much as Mr Merz and his politics disgust me, he's not an AfD member of parlament and that comparison is not okay.

Re: Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in Chat Control [pdf]

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Post by okanat »

_9ptr wrote: post #62
okanat wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They have the crosshairs on preparing the government and law for the AfD take over for the second trial of 1933. Just like the useless Bundestag of Weimar, they would like to leave as many mines and holes in the democratic institutions so their true self can show how perfect a racist government feels.

What? Are you saying that the CDU is secretly working for the AfD? First time I heard that, what bubble are you from?

CDU doesn't need to secretly work with AfD. Many of CDU's members and its current administration have similar opinion of non-ethnically-Germanic residents with AfD. Merz has shown that he is willing to work with AfD before the election on those areas.

Being incompetent and shortsighted is enough. Being blinded with the idea that Germans will keep electing them and choosing them for power feeds their incompetence. They want extreme powers now. They don't think the extreme powers they give to the various organizations will be used against democratic society. This is just the repeat of Weimar republic.

Meanwhile they are filling Germans with hate against minorities and benefactors of the social system which legitimizes AfD. They also keep doing nothing (which is their core-competence really). They fix no parts of the broken system. This legitimizes AfD even more.

Re: Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in Chat Control [pdf]

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Post by encom »

oytis wrote: post #60
rlpb wrote: post #53

How does this fit with Apple's pushback against the UK government's encryption backdoor efforts against them? Why aren't Apple also pushing back against this EU initiative?

I thought Apple already voluntary implemented it on their devices?

Assume the worst. Everything Apple does is proprietary and closed, so you can never be sure. You paid for the device, but it's not yours.

Re: Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in Chat Control [pdf]

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Post by poly2it »

udev4096 wrote: post #7

How would chat control even work, with federated and decentralized networks? This is the reason you should not use signal. Moxie wants everyone to be in a closed loop, tightly controlled by his decisions. Matrix ftw!

I wouldn't trust Matrix for my personal security:

https://soatok.blog/2024/08/14/security-issues-in-matrixs-ol...

https://web.archive.org/web/20240606031827/https://gist.gith...

Re: Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in Chat Control [pdf]

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Post by detaro »

volkl48 wrote: post #54
beezlewax wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Stasi while more recent and more correct a name to use here are still something not everyone knows about to the same extent as the gestapo.

In Germany they certainly do.

indeed. Gestapo is "a long time ago", Stasi is something half the country at least knows people personally affected by.

Re: Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in Chat Control [pdf]

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Post by cwbriscoe »

dwedge wrote: post #47
reorder9695 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no reason email clients can't make PGP keys easy, proton actually makes it quite easy to add a PGP key for an email address.

Does Proton allow you to use any email client? Last I checked IMAP and SMTP is disabled and you're captive in their webmail or official client unless you pay for their bridge software. Which makes this post ironic https://proton.me/blog/what-is-an-email-client

I use Thunderbird to access my Proton Mail. They have an app called Proton Mail Bridge that allows you to access it via IMAP or SMTP.

https://proton.me/mail/bridge

Edit: Missed the paid part in you message. Yeah, I have a paid account.

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