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Largest Mass Resignation in US History as 100k Federal Workers Quit

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That's the intention of this administration. Destroy any service that the government could provide until people can genuinely think the government is useless. Then the people currently in power and their cronies will come out of the woodwork "saving" the country with their private companies and interests. Competing with an empty shell of a government is the easiest way. As a side effect, if they're to lose the next e…

>>> That's the intention of this administration. Destroy any service that the government could provide until people can genuinely think the government is useless. Not really sure ANY government service runs well. There are maybe one or two but as a whole government run anything never seems to be done well or at a decent cost. Just scan the comments about the massive overspending and poor service we already get as tax…

>> Not really sure ANY government service runs well.

Really? You think no government services runs well? None what so ever???

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> The word Fascism has now no meaning except in so far as it signifies "something not desirable." From "Politics and the English Language" by George Orwell (1946)

I don't think Facism is a meaningless concept, or the use of it to describe Trump/MAGA is empty. From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_fascism --- In his 1995 essay "Ur-Fascism", cultural theorist Umberto Eco lists fourteen general properties of fascist ideology.[17] He argues that it is not possible to organise these into a coherent system, but that "it is enough that one of them be present to allow fasc…

> From a European perspective, it's really hard not to see much/all of this resonating in MAGA USA.

That might be partly because there've been 10 years of everything being called fascism, rather than any genuine thought that selects fascism out of a group of alternatives.

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Fascists generally want everything centrally controlled. Not really a small government mindset.

Don't bother with nuance, in 2025 everything bad[1] is "fascism". The idea that authoritarianism can have any other form seems to be forgotten. [1] Often defined as something a poster doesn't agree with, thought sometimes genuinely bad things as well.

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Re: Largest Mass Resignation in US History as 100k Federal Workers Quit

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There are two elements of this situation that I'm consistently trying to open-mindedly hold in balance. One part is what I call "The Great Defederalization". In a myriad of ways, the federal state that was erected between FDR and LBJ is being torn down. That state existed on a group of decisions that allowed independent agencies outside of the direct oversight of the president: the Humphrey's Executor agencies, NLRB,…

The first point requires an additional layer. The modern administrative state has its origins in Woodrow Wilson ideology of scientific governance. Wilson didn’t like democracy and wasn’t much of a fan of the constitution: https://teachingamericanhistory.org/document/the-study-of-ad... . A consequence of centralizing governance in a giant federal bureaucracy is that it’s become dominated by one party: https://www.gove…

It will be run by the party that prefers bigger government... unless you remember how much the current administration has expanded the deficit and DHS.

Also, if you're saying that the past 100 years of American history, with all its various technocrats, was the result of a single ideology operating the government... maybe that ideology actually works pretty well?

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post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the intention of this administration. Destroy any service that the government could provide until people can genuinely think the government is useless. Then the people currently in power and their cronies will come out of the woodwork "saving" the country with their private companies and interests. Competing with an empty shell of a government is the easiest way. As a side effect, if they're to lose the next e…

There is an ulterior motive for these cuts, but please be honest about what it is. The federal bureaucracy is completely dominated by one party: https://www.govexec.com/pay-benefits/2016/10/federal-employe... . No matter who wins the elections, most of the actual decisions are being made by adherents of the same party. Trump had four times the support in AOC’s district in the Bronx than among federal employee donors.…

Did you actually look at the numbers? You should give it a try. The best you can get from those numbers is that people are more likely to donate to the Democratic party than the Republican one.

For example: true, 99.4% of the donations from the USDA employees went to the Democratic part. 99.4% of how many donations? Less than 3,000. - Source [0] - and that's an overestimate, since that filter will include donations from 2015.

How many employees work for the USDA? About 100,000 [1].

That means that 97,000 people made no donations - to either party.

[0] https://www.fec.gov/data/receipts/individual-contributions/?...

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Re: Largest Mass Resignation in US History as 100k Federal Workers Quit

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post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the intention of this administration. Destroy any service that the government could provide until people can genuinely think the government is useless. Then the people currently in power and their cronies will come out of the woodwork "saving" the country with their private companies and interests. Competing with an empty shell of a government is the easiest way. As a side effect, if they're to lose the next e…

There is an ulterior motive for these cuts, but please be honest about what it is. The federal bureaucracy is completely dominated by one party: https://www.govexec.com/pay-benefits/2016/10/federal-employe... . No matter who wins the elections, most of the actual decisions are being made by adherents of the same party. Trump had four times the support in AOC’s district in the Bronx than among federal employee donors.…

Is this DEI for Trump supporters?

Re: Largest Mass Resignation in US History as 100k Federal Workers Quit

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post #92

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>>> That's the intention of this administration. Destroy any service that the government could provide until people can genuinely think the government is useless. Not really sure ANY government service runs well. There are maybe one or two but as a whole government run anything never seems to be done well or at a decent cost. Just scan the comments about the massive overspending and poor service we already get as tax…

>> Not really sure ANY government service runs well. Really? You think no government services runs well? None what so ever???

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Re: Largest Mass Resignation in US History as 100k Federal Workers Quit

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> the federal workforce excluding the postal service (which has actually shrunk, as a semi-private employer) has grown by about 1% per year since 2000 That's less than it seems though, given that the US population has grown with over 0.7% per year for most of those years. https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/usa/uni...

> That's less than it seems though, given that the US population has grown with over 0.7% per year for most of those years. So what? Why does government have to grow proportionally with the size of the population? This is not a given in any other organization.

You generally expect the size of an organization to scale with the scope of its activities, especially if its activities include "healthcare" and "building roads."

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Can someone explain the DRP to me? I don’t understand why people got paid to take 8 months of leave if they resigned?

At the start of the year, the OPM announced that federal workers could either take a voluntary resignation and go on paid leave until Sept. 30 (today), or be subject to return-to-office orders (including forced relocation if necessary), higher performance standards, and further involuntary layoffs. According to this article, about 100,000 people took the voluntary resignation.

As for motive, it's a way for the Trump admin to clear out the federal workforce and install loyalists to make it easier for him to carry out his agenda.

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