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ChatControl: EU wants to scan all private messages, even in encrypted apps

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Re: ChatControl: EU wants to scan all private messages, even in encrypted apps

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Post by hellojesus »

realo wrote: post #62
kypro wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've commented this elsewhere, but rights in the US are generally much more absolute than here in Europe. For example, in the EU you technically have the right to freedom of expression, but you can also be arrested if you say something that could offend someone. Similarly rights to privacy are often ignored whenever a justification can be made that it's appropriate to do so. I don't know about elsewhere in the world,…

"... expression, but you can also be arrested if you say something that could offend someone. ..." You probably mean hate speech. We have laws like that too in Canada. It is a good thing.

How on earth are hate speech laws a good thing? Or did I miss a /s?

Re: ChatControl: EU wants to scan all private messages, even in encrypted apps

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Post by EasyMark »

i_am_a_squirrel wrote: post #81
nisten wrote: post #36

If you are a smart kid in europe learn to vibecode XChacha20 & ed25519 encryption keys for you and your friends to chat with so you can go tell your incompetent government to go fuck themselves.

but then they'll make this a crime

exactly, this is just step 1

Re: ChatControl: EU wants to scan all private messages, even in encrypted apps

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Post by brap »

ivape wrote: post #24

Can anyone try to explain to be how this is not a strain of mind-reading and thought crime? I mean, sure, we’re several decades away from the big event where society will adjudicate thought-crime, but this appears to be one of the first skirmishes.

Thought crime has been illegal in the EU/UK for quite some time. But only a certain kind of thoughts

Re: ChatControl: EU wants to scan all private messages, even in encrypted apps

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Post by EasyMark »

immibis wrote: post #2

This will never not be in the news, will it? I feel like it's been continuously for the past 10-15 years, under various names.

The people that want this to happen, really really really want it to happen. They are never going to give up, so people need to remain vigilent.

Re: ChatControl: EU wants to scan all private messages, even in encrypted apps

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Post by meta-level »

Can anyone explain to me what keeps anyone who doesn't want to be monitored from just sending PNGs (or similar) containing messages encrypted in each pixels LSBs?

Doesn't all that just force everyone who has something to hide to use something else, less obvious?

Re: ChatControl: EU wants to scan all private messages, even in encrypted apps

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Post by _t9ow »

rapind wrote: post #75
_t9ow wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The accepted solution is to have a constitution that says otherwise And the willingness and ability to enforce it. The current iteration of ChatControl is pushed by Denmark, which is at present the President of the Council of the European Union. The Danish Constitution itself enshrines the right to privacy of communication [0], but this is not stopping Denmark from wanting to ratify ChatControl anyway. [0]: https:/…

> but this is not stopping Denmark from wanting to ratify ChatControl anyway. What the TLDR of the motivation behind this? Is it just politicians playing to their base (think of the children) or corporate lobbying. or religion, etc? Seems to me that the negatives of passing something like this are super obvious and dystopian.

I suspect it's a mix of many Danish politicians' own authoritarian tendencies/ambitions and corporate lobbying, though I have no proof of the latter when it comes to ChatControl specifically.

Generally speaking, there is a lot of dark money in Danish politics, and the EU has repeatedly flagged Denmark as a country lacking in transparency with regards to corporate lobbying: https://www.altinget.dk/artikel/eu-kritik-af-danmark-puster-...

Generally speaking, the Danish government also tends to behave in authoritarian ways. E.g., Denmark has wilfully violated EU regulations on data retention for many, many years. In 2021, a Danish court ruled that the Danish Ministry of Justice could continue its mass surveillance practices even though they were (and still are) illegal under EU law: https://www.information.dk/indland/2021/06/justitsministerie...

Currently Denmark is also trying to leverage its position as the President of the Council of the EU to legalise, on a EU-wide level, the form of data retention that Denmark has been illegally practising: https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/better-regulation/have-your-sa...

Re: ChatControl: EU wants to scan all private messages, even in encrypted apps

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Post by goneri »

Alejandro9R wrote: post #86
tomkarho wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only way I see to prevent the constant pushing is that every single time some council or committee presents something like this every single of one of their private communication gets leaked for everyone to peruse at their leisure from whatsapp to bank statements. They want to erode people's privacy? Let them walk their talk first and see how that goes.

I like this idea frankly. Where are the hacktivists when we need them?

You can become an "hacktivist" by taking 15 minutes of your time to write an email to your MEP.

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/en/home

Re: ChatControl: EU wants to scan all private messages, even in encrypted apps

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Post by walterbell »

__loam wrote: post #52
walterbell wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EU CRA disallows shipment of non-accredited binaries in "critical" software categories.

Okay so are they going to block foreign github repos? This seems totally unenforceable.

Subset of industry feedback on EU CRA, https://github.com/orcwg/cra-hub/blob/main/product-definitio...

Re: ChatControl: EU wants to scan all private messages, even in encrypted apps

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Post by tremon »

quotemstr wrote: post #31
astroflection wrote: post #16

Governments should be transparent and the people should be opaque. Any government that attempts to make things otherwise looses legitimacy.

Or as someone put it, "People shouldn't fear the government. The government should fear the people." I feel like we've lost the vocabulary we ought to be using to talk about the legitimacy and role of the state. More people need to read J.S. Mill (and probably Hobbes.) Even today, works by both are surprisingly good reads and embed a lot of thoughtful and timeless wisdom.

But isn't the government fearing the people exactly why they're relentlessly pushing ChatControl?
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