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Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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I'm an American, and our politicians are starting to discuss forcibly institutionalizing all trans people. living my days out in a padded cell is not my idea of liberty, thank you. I'm getting out of here.

Give me your passport. I want in.

what passport are you trading?

Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

#93
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There is already a market for secure phones used by organized crime, this will only intensify the demand (plus another opportunity for to infiltrate them like has also happened before)

As a devil's advocate, there are also criminal groups, right now, that do actual crime, that operate on discord. 99% of criminals likely don't have enough knowledge to maintain proper opsec, so spying on chats could in principle help here. On the other hand, there are also criminal groups, right now, that do actual crime, that operate on discord. Going after them would be trivial in comparison, and yet we introduce e…

I think a lot of those criminals use clear text channels because it works. If it no longer works, then they move.

Meaning, chat control might pressure criminals. For a bit. Until they wisen up and use more secure protocols and end points.

Which, not only exist, but are very easy to use and wide spread.

Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

#94

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I'm an American, and our politicians are starting to discuss forcibly institutionalizing all trans people. living my days out in a padded cell is not my idea of liberty, thank you. I'm getting out of here.

I'm so sorry this is happening to you and the rest of the community. And I don't get why they pick on the trans community so much. Apart from not aligning with their personal religious views, what else has a trans person ever done to a cis one? Most trans people I know are super respectful especially because they know what it's like to deal with bigotry every day. I mean when they go after drug gangs, at least there'…

we're viewed as a social contagion. trans kids see that trans people exist, and realize they can transition too. their parents see their sweet little angel becoming something they don't understand, something that viscerally disgusts them, and the mama bear instincts activate. they steel themselves to purge our degeneracy in the name of protecting their children.

at least that's my take.

Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

#95

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I'm an American, and our politicians are starting to discuss forcibly institutionalizing all trans people. living my days out in a padded cell is not my idea of liberty, thank you. I'm getting out of here.

I'm so sorry this is happening to you and the rest of the community. And I don't get why they pick on the trans community so much. Apart from not aligning with their personal religious views, what else has a trans person ever done to a cis one? Most trans people I know are super respectful especially because they know what it's like to deal with bigotry every day. I mean when they go after drug gangs, at least there'…

They are just doing what bullies always do, attacking people who they think won't be defended.

Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

#96
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Okay, but who prevents me to exchanging a private key irl and sending encrypted messages over Whatsapp?

Whatsapp would turn off that feature for EU countries the same day the law goes through

They mean doing their own encryption prior to sending the message to whatsapp with a one time pad - a one time pad is secure - but the answer would be "a boatload of inconvenience"

Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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I'm an American, and our politicians are starting to discuss forcibly institutionalizing all trans people. living my days out in a padded cell is not my idea of liberty, thank you. I'm getting out of here.

They start with minority groups and most people don't think it will affect them. Until one day, one of their associates are taken away.

Then they are faced with the cognitive dissonance that either:

1. the authorities are good and correct

2. or the authorities have been evil and horribly wrong the whole time with your support which makes you complicit.

And no one wants to think of themselves as being complicit in evil. So mental effort is expended to convince themselves it must be 1.

Most people have heard of this quote: "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing".

But I prefer it stated this way:

"The standard you walk past is the standard you accept"

Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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am I understanding correctly that Chat Control will use AI to scan the text of every private message, and automatically report suspected "grooming attempts" to police? how the hell do they think that will work? does the AI know that the message recipient is a minor? that the message sender is an adult? that "want to meet up tonight?" is sent by a pedophile to a stranger's kid for an illicit rendezvous, and not by a dad to his son to work on a science fair project?

this is just bananas crazy. so many lives will be ruined by false positives. the chilling effect will be like an Arctic snowstorm. and any actual groomers will find ways to disable it.

Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

#100

What I don't understand is, why don't the authorities think the actual bad guys will avoid the surveillance? It seems to me that organized crime will find their own solution, and the rest of us will occasionally have a snooping policeman checking our private messages. It's not unknown, even in Denmark, that people who are given access to private data will abuse it, eg snooping on ex girlfriends, that kind of thing. W…

Ask your local corporate IT guy how many people browse porn on work computers, even though they must know it's logged.

I've had an unexpected redirect from a hacked Wordpress site in the past. One of the reasons why I will never go without an abuse blocker + NoScript on work computers. I had been trialing going without at the start of that job and lasted a few months but that incident permanently removed any latent guilt.
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