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Permeable materials in homes act as sponges for harmful chemicals: study

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In their defense, they usually mention this requirement in the manual.

Sure but do you take your CO2 meter for a walk?

And in similar vein, when was the last time you read the manual for a household appliance?

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I think they want more than 18c. 18c is pretty cold to sit in for a prolonged time.

At 18C I wouldn't even put on a sweater. People need to stop being so wimpy. 10C is a good target temperature during the winter.

Good that everybody is the same and when 18°C is enough for you everybody should be fine with it, even children, old people and sick ones.

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I think they want more than 18c. 18c is pretty cold to sit in for a prolonged time.

At 18C I wouldn't even put on a sweater. People need to stop being so wimpy. 10C is a good target temperature during the winter.

10C is a great indoor temperature if you want condensation everywhere and eventually mold, but that's a price worth paying to not be considered "wimpy" I suppose? https://www.homebuilding.co.uk/advice/minimum-house-temperat...

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I think they want more than 18c. 18c is pretty cold to sit in for a prolonged time.

At 18C I wouldn't even put on a sweater. People need to stop being so wimpy. 10C is a good target temperature during the winter.

Good for you. At 18C my fingers get too cold to type properly and I keep missing keys.

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Can you link an example of a window unit ERV? I tried searching briefly, and came across some folks hacking together units to make them work with windows or adding their own ducting, but nothing analogous to a simple window air conditioning unit. As a renter of an apartment in a very much not modern home, I don't really see anything that seems like it would work.

http://www.purifresh.com/erv.html https://swervair.com/ A couple examples I see on Google. I'm not advocating for any of these, because I have no idea if they are any good, but I see no technical reason an ERV couldn't work as a window unit. Maybe it's an underserved market and someone should make a business out of that. A much more DIY example that's probably closer to what you were talking about with "hacking toget…

Thank you! You're right that's the sort of "hacked together" solution that looks cool but beyond my abilities, and I appreciate the first two links.

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Sounds like good news. The sponges take harmful chemicals out of our environment.

Not good news, it's just better to know, than to not know. These sponges don't take chemicals out of our environment, they trap it and slowly release it where we would need cleanness. These chemicals would have gone away a long time ago, but the sponges kept them there.

Additionally why this is not good news, these materials were not supposed to be sponges to begin with. So, it's like discovering a bad side effect. Again, better to know than to not know, but it's not what one would call good news.

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In their defense, they usually mention this requirement in the manual.

Sure but do you take your CO2 meter for a walk?

When nobody is home so there's no CO2 being emitted, it goes down to outdoor levels within a couple of hours if your windows are open even a crack.

If you have a meter that shows you a graph on your phone, you can watch it reach equilibrium. It's very obvious.

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> The findings suggest that regular ventilation alone may be insufficient to remove many indoor contaminants. Physical cleaning activities such as vacuuming, mopping and dusting are necessary to effectively remove compounds with high partition coefficients from surface reservoirs. Yup. Indoor smoker homes are the worst because cleaning alone is often not enough. Cheap landlords just slap a coat of paint on to hide th…

This sounds similar to what happens in cars that have been smoked in, but there are even more soft surfaces, nooks and crannies in a car. Smaller space, but easier to get fresh air into.

Cars are easier to remediate. The textiles can all be washed with powerful solvents and plastic doesn’t soak up too much smoke.

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At 18C I wouldn't even put on a sweater. People need to stop being so wimpy. 10C is a good target temperature during the winter.

10C is a great indoor temperature if you want condensation everywhere and eventually mold, but that's a price worth paying to not be considered "wimpy" I suppose? https://www.homebuilding.co.uk/advice/minimum-house-temperat...

> The minimum house temperature your home should be kept at to avoid damp, mould and condensation is 18°C, according to health and energy experts.

That article and the supposed experts are idiotic. Condensation is a function of relative temperatures and humidities. If your house is warmer than outdoors, then you're not going to get condensation from outdoor air.

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