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Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Post by rkomorn »

jeffbee wrote: post #85
general1465 wrote: post #50

Tangentially - If you as a European happen to drive on US highways, you will noticed that they are heavily littered with fallen cargo, aluminum ladders, huge amount of shredded tires and occasionally a trailer without a towing car... It has been so bizarre for me to observe this. Nobody is cleaning that?

You might have also noticed that the pavement is terrible. Mostly this comes down to the fact that in Europe the fuel taxes 3-4x ours.

Not just that but also tolls. There are way more toll roads, at least where I've lived in Europe, compared to where I've lived in the US (Spain being the one very noticeable exception between France and Portugal).

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Post by carlmr »

zwaps wrote: post #79
general1465 wrote: post #50

Tangentially - If you as a European happen to drive on US highways, you will noticed that they are heavily littered with fallen cargo, aluminum ladders, huge amount of shredded tires and occasionally a trailer without a towing car... It has been so bizarre for me to observe this. Nobody is cleaning that?

Why are Dutch or Swiss highways so much more pristine than French and German ones? Have you compared distances?

German ones are still way way cleaner than US highways.

Germany is also the country with the most traffic because it's kind of at the center of everything and pays roads with income tax instead of tolls.

The French charge really high tolls and have very little traffic compared to Germany. They really don't have an excuse.

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Post by ape4 »

rob74 wrote: post #43
agildehaus wrote: post #30

A friend of mine who loves Tesla watched this video and said "many humans would have hit that". I feel we'll be hearing a lot of that excuse.

Well, I have to admit that your friend has a point. Humans are bad at reacting quickly and correctly to unexpected situations, and some debris large enough to damage your car showing up from out of nowhere after several hours of boring driving along a largely straight highway with little traffic is definitely one of these situations. But a self-driving system worth its salt should always be alert, scanning the road a…

And a self-driving car should have better sensors than a human (like lidar)

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Post by delfinom »

agildehaus wrote: post #30

A friend of mine who loves Tesla watched this video and said "many humans would have hit that". I feel we'll be hearing a lot of that excuse.

I would counterpoint my little cheap Civic has hit things like that and hasn't broken a thing. HEH.

The best time was a very badly designed speed bump that I didn't even hit at high speed but one side was ridiculously inclinded vs. the other so the entire civic's frontend just smashed right into the pavement and dragged for 3 feet. I wouldn't be surprised if I went into a body shop and find the frontend tilted upwards by a few centimeters. lol

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Post by tedggh »

general1465 wrote: post #50

Tangentially - If you as a European happen to drive on US highways, you will noticed that they are heavily littered with fallen cargo, aluminum ladders, huge amount of shredded tires and occasionally a trailer without a towing car... It has been so bizarre for me to observe this. Nobody is cleaning that?

It depends where in the US you drive. It’s a big country with independent state governments. It’s like saying I was driving in Romania and I was shocked by how bad European highways are. I lived in Texas and the stuff I saw on the highway was crazy, vacuum cleaners, decorated Christmas trees and refrigerators. Most parts of the country interstate and highway systems are pretty clean.

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Post by jefftk »

ekianjo wrote: post #66
coreyh14444 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The debris is pretty close to the color of the road. Seems like a good case for radar/lidar ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

do we have an example of Lidar equipped car that can avoid that?

Tesla is essentially the only one that doesn't use lidar. I'd be very surprised if a Waymo had a problem with this debris.

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Post by keyle »

SillyUsername wrote: post #60

A lot of apologists say that "a human would have hit that". That's kind of irrelevant, this technology is meant to be safer and held to a higher standard. Comparing to a human is not a valid excuse...

Indeed... You can see the driver reaching for the wheel, presumably he saw it coming, and would have hit the breaks. He left the car to do its thing thinking it knows better than him... maybe.

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Post by rkomorn »

comrade1234 wrote: post #58
general1465 wrote: post #50

Tangentially - If you as a European happen to drive on US highways, you will noticed that they are heavily littered with fallen cargo, aluminum ladders, huge amount of shredded tires and occasionally a trailer without a towing car... It has been so bizarre for me to observe this. Nobody is cleaning that?

I just got back from a trip to the USA where I spent about five days driving around Michigan, Illinois, and Wisconsin and the number of shredded truck tires on the highways was flabbergasting. From what I understand, in the USA when a truck tire wears down they put a new layer of tread on it. But it doesn't seem to work very well as it eventually peels off.

Truck tire chunks on freeways was one of the biggest surprises to me.

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Post by lapcat »

tedggh wrote: post #53

I got my first Tesla last year and my first trip with FSD was just after the launch of V13, so I could not compare it to earlier versions. But I was shocked by how good it was. I completed a 800 miles trip with a handful of interventions, most or all of them likely unnecessary. Even with rain the system worked well. I don’t understand how the system was not able to see this obstacle and slow down or change lanes. Did…

> Did they have traffic tailgating?

No. If you continue to watch the video after the collision, it's clear that there was no traffic tailgating. They even slowed down and pulled over to the side of the road. No other cars.

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Post by gyanchawdhary »

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