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Beyond the Front Page: A Personal Guide to Hacker News

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Re: Beyond the Front Page: A Personal Guide to Hacker News

#91
For me, HN is distinct and special because (despite its scale) it doesn't reflect the internet. HN, as a discussion forum, has its own distinct norms, "vibe" and specialisations which give it value. Places like Facebook and Reddit are so large that they (kind of) reflect the whole internet, with all of huge variation in expectations and behaviour that represents.

It's the narrower scope of subject matter and the ruthlessly-cultivated culture which create the value proposition of HN. It's for this reason I've continued using the site for years after largely abandoning discussion on other social media sites. Long may it flourish.

Re: Beyond the Front Page: A Personal Guide to Hacker News

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HN is attracting more and more new users who enjoy making low quality posts on hot button topics, which also triggers other previously well-behaved users to make low quality posts in response. Posting a "hot take" on HN was unheard of for a very long time. Now people do it regularly with no shame. I've never really understood why people write those, and even less why people read them. It's admitting from the outset t…

I think you guys are succumbing to a nostalgia-filtered view of HN's past.

Rose colored glasses are just a manual version of f.lux

But more seriously, I mentioned the "dotcom boom" to someone today, they didn't know what it was, because they were 2 at the time.

I had to explain it as a combination of the GFC and the current AI boom.

Re: Beyond the Front Page: A Personal Guide to Hacker News

#93

IMO one of the things that makes HN so special is the "culture" here. Having been on here since 2018, most folks here are acutely aware of the issues that other sites like Reddit have and we all collectively work to preserve this space so it doesn't become like the other places. If I see a meme on Reddit I would probably upvote it, but if I see that exact same meme on here I would downvote and probably report it too.…

The most difficult thing to protect against is the down-voting of posts you disagree with on HN. That’s the culture of Reddit, but it’s here on HN more and more.

Re: Beyond the Front Page: A Personal Guide to Hacker News

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post #21

I think that recently, I've been seeing more snarky and dismissive messages than compared with several months ago. They are always very brief, gotcha-style replies. Is it just me? It sometimes makes me doubt if there isn't a coordinated attempt at destabilizing the otherwise orderly (no doubt after some heroic wrangling by dang & co.) discourse taking place. Those posts get downvoted rather fast, but I feel that ther…

>snarky comments

Ive noticed this as well.

Re: Beyond the Front Page: A Personal Guide to Hacker News

#95
> Finally, demographics matter. HN is dominated by American tech professionals. That can tilt discourse toward elitism, rationalism, and a kind of intellectual performance, creating an echo chamber

As an European, not working in technology or even with computers, i can relate to. HN comments can sometimes feel out of touch with reality.

I’d say it’s more about the way Americans tend to see the world, where the world ends at the border of the USA and not consider that there are other way of life.

Although despite its flaws, this forum is still one of the brightest side of the internet.

Re: Beyond the Front Page: A Personal Guide to Hacker News

#96

IMO one of the things that makes HN so special is the "culture" here. Having been on here since 2018, most folks here are acutely aware of the issues that other sites like Reddit have and we all collectively work to preserve this space so it doesn't become like the other places. If I see a meme on Reddit I would probably upvote it, but if I see that exact same meme on here I would downvote and probably report it too.…

I would say that was true until recently (have basically been lurking for a decade), but this year in particular it feels like HN has gone full Reddit. More and more topics somehow devolve into emotional political fights instead of intellectual debates.

The insanity of US politics has more and more real impacts and is impossible to ignore, sadly. It's the forest fires of the tech scene.

Re: Beyond the Front Page: A Personal Guide to Hacker News

#97
post #31

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My karma gets hit for having views against green energy and conservative leaning economics. There is a problem here with high karma correlating with being in the same echo chamber as everyone else. I mainly want to get to the downvote threshold so I can also exert an alternative influence (as I'm in the minority I think). It's been many years...

I find that following a few rules helps to keep my heterodox views from hurting my karma too much. 1) Keep them to myself most of the time. Pick my spots, in other words, and don't just toss off quick replies every time I disagree (who's got that kind of time anyway). 2) Don't make a factual claim without a link to back it up, even (maybe especially) if it's something everyone knows. There seems to be enough respect…

I would add that oblique approaches work better.

You can sort of assume that everyone on here has (a) played this game before and (b) already seen the day's talking points on the rest of social media. Re-litigating that here is just a waste of time. Your (2) is absolutely critical here; the bystanders will upvote posts that have links to good sources that tell them things they didn't already know. Which is good! That's what the site is for!

Also remember: you can't convert the person you're arguing with. But it's the (invisible) audience who are handing out the scores.

Re: Beyond the Front Page: A Personal Guide to Hacker News

#98
post #4

I've always been curious what the front page of hn would look like if you filtered out all the tech posts. I'd love a rss feed for that. Maybe make it top weekly or monthly instead since that would cull a large % of posts? One site I've been really enjoying for filtering through feeds including all hn submissions is https://scour.ing/about . You input interests and it filters rss based on that. You can even follow yo…

Developer of Scour here. Really glad to hear you're enjoying it! Comments like these are very motivating, so thank you!

Just created an account, added 3 of my interests pertaining to what I am working on right now; instantly found 3-4 articles that gave me actual, actionable insight on what I wanted to do.

Great work!

Re: Beyond the Front Page: A Personal Guide to Hacker News

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post #98

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Developer of Scour here. Really glad to hear you're enjoying it! Comments like these are very motivating, so thank you!

Just created an account, added 3 of my interests pertaining to what I am working on right now; instantly found 3-4 articles that gave me actual, actionable insight on what I wanted to do. Great work!

That’s excellent to hear!

Let me know if you have any other feedback as you use it more!

Re: Beyond the Front Page: A Personal Guide to Hacker News

#100

IMO one of the things that makes HN so special is the "culture" here. Having been on here since 2018, most folks here are acutely aware of the issues that other sites like Reddit have and we all collectively work to preserve this space so it doesn't become like the other places. If I see a meme on Reddit I would probably upvote it, but if I see that exact same meme on here I would downvote and probably report it too.…

Interesting, for me Hacker News is just about being reasonable. Consequently, I find all other online places so far unreasonable. I am on Reddit, but honestly, it’s more of an anthropology thing rather than anything else. Sometimes I see if I can vibe with the subreddits, and I can. The problem is usually I feel awful because a good faith discussion generally can’t be held. To me, vibing in many subreddits just means…

In reditt, the exact same comment can give you 1K upvotes along with lots of gratz/you-are-the-man/misc-admiration replies or 1K downvotes/you-suck/you-are-a-retard/misc-hate replies along with a moderator/shadow ban, depending on which sub-reditt you are in.
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