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Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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This is just cruel and inhumane and solves no issue that I can think of.

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You are a cruel person. These people have built up their and likely their children’s lives here. You cannot change that in the span of 24 hours, even if you wanted to. To ask them to just “stay in India” is absolutely a nonsense statement.

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Microsoft can also just pay the fee right? My understanding is that it’s on the employer to pay, not the individual. Given that these are incredibly skilled folks this would certainly be annoying if you’re Microsoft (like any other tax or fee) but given the value they get from each employee it seems like $100,000 isn’t much.

Net income per employee at MS is $440K so if H-1B are so important then they can afford it. I worked at MS on a visa and it definitely felt like I was a second class citizen that managers could freely abuse without recourse, it didn’t help that corporate politics had become tribal. So while having a visa was beneficial to me personally I felt it lead to the degradation of the employment market, now a market for lemon…

> Net income per employee at MS is $440K

MS with N fewer workers is not going to bring in N*$440K less net income. The incremental income added by an average employee is much less than $440K.

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Yea, this is reagan's party with the mask off

Trump is a populist. He is doing tons of populist things. This is another Bernie Sanders policy. Bernie is also a populist. The differences between them are mostly "two-sides of the same coin" https://www.sanders.senate.gov/op-eds/h1-b-visas-hurt-one-ty...

What a ridiculous and asinine comment

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The democracy stopped functioning a while ago, this is just the bills being presented.

I don't think this is a bill, just part of a series of proclamations he sprays around to get tied up in courts and then revoked by the next adult in the office. Legislation takes serious time and work and discipline, but it can be lasting in a way this isn't. This is a failed marshmallow test.

I don't know @jacquesm's intent, but I read "bill" as in "invoice", not as in "proposed new law".

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Microsoft can also just pay the fee right? My understanding is that it’s on the employer to pay, not the individual. Given that these are incredibly skilled folks this would certainly be annoying if you’re Microsoft (like any other tax or fee) but given the value they get from each employee it seems like $100,000 isn’t much.

Net income per employee at MS is $440K so if H-1B are so important then they can afford it. I worked at MS on a visa and it definitely felt like I was a second class citizen that managers could freely abuse without recourse, it didn’t help that corporate politics had become tribal. So while having a visa was beneficial to me personally I felt it lead to the degradation of the employment market, now a market for lemon…

I’m sorry, but what? What part of your statement is relevant to the rapid and cruel enactment of the policy? Leaving aside whether or not it is unreasonable, the immediate applicability, over a weekend, of this policy, is that this thread is discussing. Not your smug satisfaction at the validity of the policy.

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This is just cruel and inhumane and solves no issue that I can think of.

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That's no way to execute a change of status. Do you realize that people on visas can have rental property or even owned property in the US, with things in them? In some cases their kids could even be in the US.

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Net income per employee at MS is $440K so if H-1B are so important then they can afford it. I worked at MS on a visa and it definitely felt like I was a second class citizen that managers could freely abuse without recourse, it didn’t help that corporate politics had become tribal. So while having a visa was beneficial to me personally I felt it lead to the degradation of the employment market, now a market for lemon…

> Net income per employee at MS is $440K MS with N fewer workers is not going to bring in N*$440K less net income. The incremental income added by an average employee is much less than $440K.

That they can afford it does not mean they should afford it, given the degradation of their flagship monopoly product I’m not sure if the H-1Bs are really helping all that much. My time there was absolutely dominated by bureaucracy, so much so that we spent 12 weeks planning a feature I knew I could do in 30 minutes, so I called a meeting and did it in front of them during the meeting, apparently that wasn’t respecting the process so I was punished for it.

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Microsoft can also just pay the fee right? My understanding is that it’s on the employer to pay, not the individual. Given that these are incredibly skilled folks this would certainly be annoying if you’re Microsoft (like any other tax or fee) but given the value they get from each employee it seems like $100,000 isn’t much.

While you're making a point in response to a specific post (and the OP), and so you're making a point strictly about Microsoft, an implicit premise that's supposed to strengthen your argument is that only the deep-pocketed Microsoft or its equals are subject to penalties. What about other companies for which this is a less manageable expense? And is it respectable and okay to switch up the law over the weekend if, an…

I agree with you with respect to timing, but I don't think it's too much of one thing or another, and just chalk it up to typical Trump Administration "move fast and make things dumb" approach to various policies. I guess it's possible they chose this weekend to enact the highest shakedown possible on H1B visa holders outside the United States, but I'm reluctant to give them that much credit. I think they just said here is the policy, go now and the inconveniences be damned.

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This is not what functioning bureaucracy in a functioning democracy looks like.

H1Bs are slave labor and the program is used primarily by sweat shop consultancies who pay them less than Americans. This will be incredible for Americans looking for work. They don't have to compete with artificially cheap workers.

What you are replying to is a not even a critique of the policy itself, so defending it is a bit misdirected on your part

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/trump-mulls-a... Non cancerous link to the source.

The original link's page loads okay with an ad blocker.

I am using Wipr on iOS and macOS. I can see the whole Reuters link without a paywall.
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