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Re: Restriction on Entry of Certain Nonimmigrant Workers

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I'm seeing a mismatch between what was said in news articles and by the govt officials as well as trump in the video, and what is written in the official order[1] Considering your background, what is your take on this? Many folks I know who are on H1-B don't know what to believe [1] https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/09/rest...

We are only talking about Software - other industries like nursing and academia are way more severely impacted. If you're on an H1B doing basics terraform scripting or maintenance work, your job is already in the process of being automated using a CodeGen tool being monitored by a senior engineer (be they located domestically or abroad). If you a new H1B employee working at GCP's Sunnyvale office, you will most event…

Agreed, last paragraph especially. Even if it's OK now, I would not undertake 20year debt when the d2/dt^2 of all immigrant high salary labour related numbers is negative.

However, being more exact with the question I originally had, the white house youtube video, which had trump + friends speaking and signing the order, painted the picture as "100k per H1B per year for the first 6 years".

But the order as written has something completely different.

It says the companies have to pay 100k at time of getting the visa. Doesn't mention per year or 6 years.

And this whole order expires in 12 months, unless it's extended.

And they can exempt industries or whole companies if it's important to national interest.

This difference made me think that this is just optics for what was a concern for a majority of his voter base, and that in practice, they will not extend it beyond 1 year, and also exempt big industries like tech and what not. Maybe have apple do a performative hire of few americans, similar to the performative factory investments the government gloats about [1].

Was curious what you thought about that?

Of course, the media houses have their own alternate reality going on, and the less said about twitter the better.

[1] I don't at all intend to say that all american hires and all factory investments are performative

Re: Restriction on Entry of Certain Nonimmigrant Workers

#92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are only talking about Software - other industries like nursing and academia are way more severely impacted. If you're on an H1B doing basics terraform scripting or maintenance work, your job is already in the process of being automated using a CodeGen tool being monitored by a senior engineer (be they located domestically or abroad). If you a new H1B employee working at GCP's Sunnyvale office, you will most event…

Agreed, last paragraph especially. Even if it's OK now, I would not undertake 20year debt when the d2/dt^2 of all immigrant high salary labour related numbers is negative. However, being more exact with the question I originally had, the white house youtube video, which had trump + friends speaking and signing the order, painted the picture as "100k per H1B per year for the first 6 years". But the order as written ha…

Well my suspicions were right:

https://x.com/PressSec/status/1969495900478488745

Re: Restriction on Entry of Certain Nonimmigrant Workers

#93

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Then you go headquarter your business and live in Tel Aviv. This situation is untenable.

That's what's steadily happening, and why the pipeline crisis in cybersecurity and other segments of the tech industry is arising in the US. The US system only worked because the US had the right mix of openness to domestic and foreign capital and talent. A lot of people on HN and in our industry in the US need to recognize that they are competing in a global market, and need to upskill accordingly. Just having a CS…

That's a tangent, I'm not making excuses for American labor. If we can't compete, then we can't compete.

But we will never stay competitive or self-reliant if we destroy our domestic markets by allowing companies to use H1 workers and offshoring to subvert our own labor supply. And it guarantees its demise if all incentives for Americans to even try are removed.

I am not, to be clear, talking about immigration or hoarding knowledge. I am more than happy to support programs to bring the brightest minds over as permanent residence - and their families - or to export knowledge to allied nations so we may all prosper.

Re: Restriction on Entry of Certain Nonimmigrant Workers

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A quarter of all the billion dollar+ US startups had founders who were on student/work visas at some point. If you include founders who are born of work immigrant parents that number will only go up. Just imagine all the technology, jobs and wealth created by just SpaceX, Google, Tesla alone.

Retail investors can't purchase shares of SpaceX. Nearly anyone on Earth can purchase shares of Google and Tesla, and we all benefit from the knock on effects of their technology. And yet only Americans have to compete for housing and jobs in this context. I ask you once again, why would I lose anything if Tesla was in the UAE?

It’s entirely possible a company like Tesla would not exist, or at least would be delayed by many years, if it weren’t started in the US.

Re: Restriction on Entry of Certain Nonimmigrant Workers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's what's steadily happening, and why the pipeline crisis in cybersecurity and other segments of the tech industry is arising in the US. The US system only worked because the US had the right mix of openness to domestic and foreign capital and talent. A lot of people on HN and in our industry in the US need to recognize that they are competing in a global market, and need to upskill accordingly. Just having a CS…

That's a tangent, I'm not making excuses for American labor. If we can't compete, then we can't compete. But we will never stay competitive or self-reliant if we destroy our domestic markets by allowing companies to use H1 workers and offshoring to subvert our own labor supply. And it guarantees its demise if all incentives for Americans to even try are removed. I am not, to be clear, talking about immigration or hoa…

> But we will never stay competitive or self-reliant if we destroy our domestic markets by allowing companies to use H1 workers and offshoring to subvert our own labor supply. And it guarantees its demise if all incentives for

To solve that the US needs to

1. Offer tax credits and subsidizes comparable to what countries like India and the CEE provide in order to reduce the incentive to offshore

2. With the provided tax credits add a GC and Citizenship quota that isn't onerous but nudges a firm to hire overwhelmingly in the US. A 25% quota is the magic number in my experience.

3. Work with universities to revamp CS education. The philosophy of segregating CS and CE in the US needs to end. The EECS model such as Cal's is a better approach to providing education that is aligned with that used in every other country.

Trump's proposal did nothing to solve the 3 points above which are the primary drivers for offshoring in product-led companies. All the proposal did is give a dollar value to the expected cost of hiring immigrant labor versus shifting abroad - and that dollar amount is the same amount that you would need to spend in the CEE, Israel, or India to avail significant tax windows and subsidizes.

Instead of an office with 50-60% American labor now this move incentivized shifting the entire office to Warsaw or Hyderabad instead of hiring domestically. A new grad with a CS degree from (randomly chosen) Ohio State simply isn't worth a $120k TC or a chronically unemployed (unemployed longer than 6 months) SWE isn't worth hiring as a business. If this administration actually cared to get us to hire those two archetypes, recommendations 1-3 would have solved it.

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