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Re: Slow social media

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post #8

What are people using now instead of Facebook (for broastcast and interaction with friends/family)? Chat groups in WhatsApp, Signal, Telegram etc fulfills part of it but that's only a subset since people in one chat groups know each other to a certain degree.

We have a shared iCloud photo album which works pretty well, and a group chat in iMessage

Re: Slow social media

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I was about to say "Disallow forwarding". The problem with most networks (and in the old days, even emails), was that the bulk of the material I'd get from people I personally know were not original content, but memes, humor, or political content being forwarded.

But this may serve an equivalent purpose:

> And finally, there should be a reasonable cap on the number of times a user can post per day. Roughly 5 times per day feels like the upper threshold of what you can post while being intentional about what it is you're posting.

Amusingly, just yesterday I said in a comment:

"Imagine you have a quota of only 1 HN comment per day. You probably will be a lot more careful on what you reply to."

Re: Slow social media

#93
post #47

The author invented and then dashed against the rocks a few existing fediverse platforms in the course of a couple paragraphs. These things already exist and struggle exactly because people comfortable with the walled garden approach forgot what FB was like in 2006 when you only knew 15 people on there. The lack of critical mass of your personal contacts outside of the walls is exactly how FB and IG keep you from ven…

Do any of those networks limit the number of posts you can make a day?

Do they limit forwarding? Or give users an option not to be shown forwarded messages?

For me, unlimited posts (or rather, minimal friction in posting), and blind forwarding are what destroy social media. If you can make only 3 public/group posts a day, chances are lower they will be crap.

I'm on Mastodon. It's only very mildly nice. The reality is that it still suffers from all of this. I still have to cut off connections because of the guy who's always ranting about some politician/political party.

Increase the friction for people who want to rant!

Re: Slow social media

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post #89

I agree with a lot of what you say here. I’ve been running a 3h daily time boxed social media site for the past 6 months and even though traffic is now a crawl compared to the initial burst of activity when I started it, there are users who check in daily and it ends up being a lovely experience I think. I am working on mobile apps and redesigning and reengineering a lot of the site and I love your thoughts on a blog…

What youre missing is that most people have self control issues, and your product is essentially a commitment device. As most addicts - they reject such devices.

I like what youre doing but just saying - youre dealing with a very difficult problem.

Re: Slow social media

#95
post #6

It exists: Whatsapp Also Discord and Reddit are not too bad for more strangers with common topic based chat that isn't too algorithmic.

> It exists: Whatsapp

Whatsapp groups are as terrible as the alternatives. Every group I've been a part of that has more than N people (all who know each other) has devolved into endless memes, political talk etc, and very little connecting.

Give me Whatsapp where I have a setting to simply not show me any forwarded message, and I'll be happy.

Re: Slow social media

#96
post #90

I was recently inspired on this front by an interview[1] with a recommender system engineer that explored the idea of a "good" recommender algorithm: > It feels like smartphones have saturated the available time. It's like the famous quote from the Netflix CEO: "Our main competitor is sleep." There aren't many more biological hours in the day to capture. At this point, it's mostly a war between recommender systems fo…

As the saying goes, dont hate the player, hate the game.

Re: Slow social media

#98
post #89

I agree with a lot of what you say here. I’ve been running a 3h daily time boxed social media site for the past 6 months and even though traffic is now a crawl compared to the initial burst of activity when I started it, there are users who check in daily and it ends up being a lovely experience I think. I am working on mobile apps and redesigning and reengineering a lot of the site and I love your thoughts on a blog…

What youre missing is that most people have self control issues, and your product is essentially a commitment device. As most addicts - they reject such devices. I like what youre doing but just saying - youre dealing with a very difficult problem.

That’s a fair point. I don’t see it as the antidote for people who are addicted though. It’s just a nice place for people who want to engage less. I’m definitely aware it won’t be a big thing.

If you’re looking for an actual antidote to the addiction, I don’t think that will exist in the form of a product, that will come from individuals themselves if it ever does.

Re: Slow social media

#99
post #12

I think modern social media is a huge problem but don’t see we can fix it without regulation. It’s clear that all the current incentives point companies towards engagement and rage bait and away from anything actually “social”, and I think it’s unlikely that any new social network that tries to fix these issues would achieve widespread usage. Have any countries proposed legislation to help reign it in? What would tha…

It’s a tricky one, but something that I repeatedly come back to is that publishers are regulated, but social media is a free for all. A newspaper can’t just make up something without consequences (in the UK), for example they may be sued for libel. Social media companies, by contrast, can publish posts from their anonymised users that contain almost anything, and it is permitted. It can be racism. It can state that £…

Newspapers have had a much longer history than social media.

I get why youre making the comparison, but, regulatory bodies tend to be averse to acting quick because they want "all the data" to be more certain in decision making. Such data only comes with time.

Re: Slow social media

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post #82
post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing :( Most everyone is on facebook that I know of and they're not going anywhere and I'm not. I actually missed that an old coworker had died recently. Frustrating.

Facebook just mostly show me ads now. I don’t have many friends active on it anymore. I did find out a few years ago that a coworker has passed away though. It’s really useful, pity there isn’t a similar viable alternative

FB is practically dead, particularly from an innovation stand point. Theyre just pumping as much cashflow as they can out of it before its inevitable death.
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