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I don't think old CRT gramut is "very limited". Only plasma screens were as good.
Plasma has great contrast and a slightly wider gamut than a CRT. Neither one have particularly good gamuts unless you're comparing to sRGB. Many current screens can do much better.
Why is that? It's the same phosphors.
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Plasma has great contrast and a slightly wider gamut than a CRT. Neither one have particularly good gamuts unless you're comparing to sRGB. Many current screens can do much better.
> slightly wider gamut than a CRT Why is that? It's the same phosphors.
I found something more useful though: https://www.panasonic.com/business/plasma/pdf/evaluationplas...
"Professional CRTs were manufactured to the SMPTE‐C standard gamut, which closely matches the NTSC standard and slightly exceeds the EBU (PAL/SECAM) standard. Any limitations on the reproduction of certain color shades were due to the maximum saturated levels of red, green, and blue phosphor compounds used in these monitors. While coverage of SMPTE‐C and BT.709 color spaces isn’t difficult to accomplish with a CRT, coverage of new, extended color gamuts such as xvYCC and the digital cinema P3 minimum standard gamut is problematic for CRT phosphor imaging. At best, a well‐designed CRT monitor could expect to cover about 60% ‐ 70% of these wider spaces, which typically push deeper into the green section of the 1931 CIE “tongue” color diagram."
This shows plasma as a little bit better than CRT, and again lists the limits of CRT gamut.
Lots of modern screens can do P3 and beyond. Some even get within a few percent of Rec.2020 https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b3/CI...
Maybe better phosphors are possible? Or you could put a quantum dot layer on top of CRT if you really wanted to? But I'm okay with dropping CRTs.
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> slightly wider gamut than a CRT Why is that? It's the same phosphors.
Do they usually use the same ones? I don't know, I just went based on some diagrams in a paper comparing techs. I found something more useful though: https://www.panasonic.com/business/plasma/pdf/evaluationplas... "Professional CRTs were manufactured to the SMPTE‐C standard gamut, which closely matches the NTSC standard and slightly exceeds the EBU (PAL/SECAM) standard. Any limitations on the reproduction of certain…
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Do they usually use the same ones? I don't know, I just went based on some diagrams in a paper comparing techs. I found something more useful though: https://www.panasonic.com/business/plasma/pdf/evaluationplas... "Professional CRTs were manufactured to the SMPTE‐C standard gamut, which closely matches the NTSC standard and slightly exceeds the EBU (PAL/SECAM) standard. Any limitations on the reproduction of certain…
Thanks for the research. You might be right. I had CRTs and plasma side-by-side and then I had plasma and IPS side-by-side. Plasma and CRTs looked about the same to me, while IPS looked a bit worse, but that might be because of analog vs. digial inputs and calibrations. The CRTs had an auto-calibration function (Sony G520), but other than that I never did a color calibration on any of them.
Part of the issue is that so many things are calibrated for sRGB and that is a pretty small gamut.
I think some younger people might have never really seen a CRT. And they're positively rare now. I encountered a CRT TV in the hospital waiting room recently and was a bit startled to see one. So for those only passingly familiar, if you get the opportunity, spend a bit of time experimenting with it visually. Jiggle your eyes, look away suddenly, and then back, and try oblique angles. Maybe you'll see what they mean…
Also don’t forget to rub your palm across the screen to collect the fuzzies that built up.
Static would hold them in place, and when people would go to manually turn on the TV they would suddenly become energized with thousands of volts of static electricity from the ray gun in the tube and leap out like an electric snake to zap the everloving snot out of the unfortunate bastard that turned the tv or monitor on.
Which was usually me, because I liked the challenge, but if you ever have that combo available with kids who didn't grow up around them and know any better, it would be a good prank.
I'm not really a CRT fan tbh but my neighbor was throwing away a working 24" Sony Trinitron and you don't just let one of those hit the dumpster lol Hooked up my spare PS2 and got a light gun for it. Wish i had a way to play duck hunt though.
I have a 32" Sony something or other. One of the very last ones - HDMI port and does 1080i or 720p. What a find! 30 dollars, and about killed myself getting it in the house. The plan is to have all the light gun systems hooked up to it. Being able to get 1080i out of a PS2 while having the light gun work is a challenge I have not yet surmounted.
Gran Turismo 4 will output 1080i correctly, I've done that before, but the internal horizonal resolution is very low, so i actually prefer to play in 480p on my LCD, ymmv
There's Pelican brand wireless light guns NOS on eBay that work with both PS1 and PS2 games that I've so far had good luck with
Back in the 80s, as the home computer revolution got going, computers were typically wired up to small, cheap, portable TVs as a display device. These TVs used shadow masks, and the computer video output was typically modulated to a TV signal, and the TV was 'tuned' to the computer. All of this added large amounts of blur and distortion even before the signal was displayed on the TV. By the mid 80s, it was maybe more…
(funnily enough, when I finally got a PC years later, the only monitor I could afford was a Philips monochrome VGA -- I guess they now sell for multiples of the original retail price? https://www.ebay.com/itm/176945464730)
i have a 55" panasonic LCD. no apps or wifi.From 2003. Still works. We have roku, which at some point in the last 4 years, it went rogue and auto updated itself for who knows what telemetry . We almost never use it now. I plug my laptop via HDMI and the possibilities are still there.
I bought a 40" plasma around 2001 and it cost as much as a used car.
Sometimes I think about the bizarre path computer technology took. For instance, long-term storage. It would stand to reason that we'd invent some kind of big electrical array, and that's the best we could hope for. But hard drive technology (which relies on crazy materials technology for the platter and magnets, crazy high-precision encoders, and crazy physics like floating a tiny spring over the air bubble created…
It's pretty neat how smoothly the technology progressed through every intermediate step. There weren't many huge revolutionary leaps, just steady progress
i have a 55" panasonic LCD. no apps or wifi.From 2003. Still works. We have roku, which at some point in the last 4 years, it went rogue and auto updated itself for who knows what telemetry . We almost never use it now. I plug my laptop via HDMI and the possibilities are still there.
How insanely expensive was that display? I bought a 40" plasma around 2001 and it cost as much as a used car.
Truly incredible workmanship.
