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The treasury is expanding the Patriot Act to attack Bitcoin self custody

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Re: The treasury is expanding the Patriot Act to attack Bitcoin self custody

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> [The Patriot Act] contains many sunset provisions beginning December 31, 2005, approximately four years after its passage. Before the sunset date, an extension was passed for four years which kept most of the law intact. In May 2011, President Barack Obama signed the PATRIOT Sunset Extensions Act of 2011, which extended three provisions. These provisions were modified and extended until 2019 by the USA Freedom Act,…

Whenever leftists say that "Trump is a symptom of an illness that has been metastasizing for a long time" this is what we mean.

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Re: The treasury is expanding the Patriot Act to attack Bitcoin self custody

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The tweet says "could be labled suspicious" the article says could be made illegal.

I've never heard of this website but if your only source is a tweet and you misrepresent it, I don't believe it.

I'll take bets: By EOY 2026 it will be legal in the US to use single use addresses

Re: The treasury is expanding the Patriot Act to attack Bitcoin self custody

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The quote is "single-use wallets, addresses, or accounts." If you download any normal Bitcoin wallet today, it'll use a series of words to derive a series of private keys that are used by the wallet. Each one gets a different address. Then your wallet software is smart enough to treat all the addresses derived as a single wallet. When you go to make a payment, it makes it from the various addresses owned by the walle…

Doesn't that result in multiple transactions/transaction fees if you ever need to spend more than a single wallet contains?

A transaction can have multiple inputs and outputs, and with these Bitcoin wallets, they always do. Pretty much any transaction you make is going to look like it's going to at least two places: the actual intended recipient for the amount you wanted to send, and another (probably new) address that you control. The inputs could be from a single one of your addresses or multiple.

Yes, it does result in larger transaction sizes, and transaction sizes are used to calculate fees. In practice, my understanding is that the relative increase in size is not a big deal, but again, this is how pretty much all of them work.

Re: The treasury is expanding the Patriot Act to attack Bitcoin self custody

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Can you imagine the world today if Bernie had won?

Yes, it would have been 4 years of zero progress because he would have been stonewalled by both parties.

I think the big difference would have been around Covid. The Trump administration really, really dropped the ball there, and a potential Sanders administration might have done better (i.e. invested money in preventing it from getting out of Asia, as was done for SARS 1).

Now, that might not have worked but anything might have had a pretty large impact on global/US deaths.

Re: The treasury is expanding the Patriot Act to attack Bitcoin self custody

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If only there were some sort of loud opposition to this act, predicting exactly the situation we're in today. Our elected representatives would have had to take a hard look at this and reject it due to its danger!

Couldn't agree more. Blocking SOPA / PIPA a decade or so ago was a nice reminder that when enough people speak up, bad laws can be avoided.

Re: The treasury is expanding the Patriot Act to attack Bitcoin self custody

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If only there were some sort of loud opposition to this act, predicting exactly the situation we're in today. Our elected representatives would have had to take a hard look at this and reject it due to its danger!

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Re: The treasury is expanding the Patriot Act to attack Bitcoin self custody

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That's the whole point. They can't overtly outlaw things because aggrieved parties would sue and win. So they soft outlaw them with expensive record keeping requirements and ambiguity because no business big enough to win but smaller than a giant mega-corp will intentionally risk going toe to toe with the government in court as doing so would likely be financially ruinous. And even if the government doesn't look like…

As long as the government only tazes your dogs and ruins your business, you can't even sue against the law even on constitutional grounds. See Knife Rights V Garland. [] No one had been convicted in the past 10 years for violating the switchblade act, so the state ruled the law couldn't be challenged ("no standing"), even though it was actively being used to ruin people's businesses and raid their homes (the governme…

Yeah, the .gov does that all the time. See every "basically Bruen v NYC" type case prior to Bruen.

Re: The treasury is expanding the Patriot Act to attack Bitcoin self custody

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Can you imagine the world today if Bernie had won?

He was sabotaged by the DNC. Even Elizabeth Warren said that the nomination process was rigged by the DNC. Absolute corruption and the world would absolutely be a different place. But his support of ratcheting up the Ukraine war disappointed profoundly. That’s not the Bernie I would have voted for.

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Re: The treasury is expanding the Patriot Act to attack Bitcoin self custody

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Demonstrating that if you wait long enough (14 years in that case), you can get away without loosing the funds, even from the state? > On July 10, 2009, Chadwick was ordered released from prison by Delaware County Judge Joseph Cronin, who determined his continued incarceration had lost its coercive effect and would not result in him surrendering the money.

His finances are gonna be under close inspection for the rest of his life, and fourteen years is a lot to lose.

2.5 million was a lot in 1992, and who knows what that amount is today, if they've offloaded it to somewhere it earns interest. I know plenty of people who day-by-day sacrifice their time for way less than ~500 per day which that ends up being if we assume the money been still since they were arrested.
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