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Re: iPhone 17 Pro and iPhone 17 Pro Max

#91

Post by xela79 »

kemayo wrote: post #23
elAhmo wrote: post #3

I thought of upgrading my 3 year old pro, but seeing this there is no reason to. Apple Intelligence is nowhere to be found, extra camera is nice but this design... Oh my god, I know this is subjective, but this is really ugly.

Subjective indeed. I don't mind the broad camera bump -- it's a good trade-off for getting the increased zoom, honestly. I'm not quite sure how I feel about the differently-colored ceramic bit on the back, though. But, on the plus side, not like that's the bit of the phone I look at. Plus, the orange looks great. (In their promo shots. We've occasionally seen these look a lot less vivid once you see them in real life…

>for getting the increased zoom you're getting 4x optical zoom (going down from 5x on 16 pro) and then 2x software zoom. Not bad, but not more optical zoom...

and that bump has again lens bumps, uneven, and the cases are really fugly and large

Re: iPhone 17 Pro and iPhone 17 Pro Max

#92

Post by hbn »

olex wrote: post #45

I get a new iPhone as a work phone bi-yearly, and get to pick the model, with co-pay for anything above the most basic one (currently 16E). In a month or so, it'll be that time again. Last time I went with the non-Pro option was 6 years ago with the 11. Back then I regretted it, it was a clear downgrade from my previous iPhone X (which I consider the first "Pro" iPhone) - largely because of the screen, 11's LCD reall…

The year of the 11 lineup was the one year where the standard iPhone was a clear downgrade from last year's. It was a refresh of the iPhone XR from the previous year, which was the budget option compared to the flagship XS.

Re: iPhone 17 Pro and iPhone 17 Pro Max

#93

Post by olex »

hbn wrote: post #92
olex wrote: post #45

I get a new iPhone as a work phone bi-yearly, and get to pick the model, with co-pay for anything above the most basic one (currently 16E). In a month or so, it'll be that time again. Last time I went with the non-Pro option was 6 years ago with the 11. Back then I regretted it, it was a clear downgrade from my previous iPhone X (which I consider the first "Pro" iPhone) - largely because of the screen, 11's LCD reall…

The year of the 11 lineup was the one year where the standard iPhone was a clear downgrade from last year's. It was a refresh of the iPhone XR from the previous year, which was the budget option compared to the flagship XS.

Yes, and the XS was the follow-up to the previous X and thus also the "Pro" model, before they were explicitly named as such. So my move that year was indeed a downgrade. Now I'm kind of worried of doing the same thing again - but spec-wise, the base 17 is really not at all a downgrade from my current 15 Pro, apart from the camera department.

Re: iPhone 17 Pro and iPhone 17 Pro Max

#94

Post by ikekkdcjkfke »

philjw wrote: post #78

One more year on my 13 Mini then... Liquid Glass design + This lineup is a middle-finger to ergonomics and accessibility. I just want a non distractive phone with good battery life. E-Paper screen, compact format, yet still great cameras - maybe LoRa capability for Meshtastic / Meshcore, embedded swiss army knife.

No animations, FM radio, water proof, cheap slim version for use as a brain for something else

Re: iPhone 17 Pro and iPhone 17 Pro Max

#95

Post by kemayo »

xela79 wrote: post #91
kemayo wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Subjective indeed. I don't mind the broad camera bump -- it's a good trade-off for getting the increased zoom, honestly. I'm not quite sure how I feel about the differently-colored ceramic bit on the back, though. But, on the plus side, not like that's the bit of the phone I look at. Plus, the orange looks great. (In their promo shots. We've occasionally seen these look a lot less vivid once you see them in real life…

>for getting the increased zoom you're getting 4x optical zoom (going down from 5x on 16 pro) and then 2x software zoom. Not bad, but not more optical zoom... and that bump has again lens bumps, uneven, and the cases are really fugly and large

It's not software zoom -- it's them doing binned pixels at 4x and then unbinning them and cropping down at 8x. Same thing they were doing on previous models for the 2x zoom, and now unlocked on the telephoto lens because of the resolution increase this year.

It's a quality drop for sure, but it's never extrapolating pixels that weren't optically there as software zoom does.

Re: iPhone 17 Pro and iPhone 17 Pro Max

#97

Post by RASBR89 »

AaronAPU wrote: post #88

I regret “upgrading” from iPhone 12 to 16. Ended up spending over $1k on a separate camera because the iPhone 16’s is so much worse it ruined my favorite hobby of taking scenery photos while cycling. Think I’m done with Apple phones after that one.

What was worse?

Re: iPhone 17 Pro and iPhone 17 Pro Max

#98

Post by glxxyz »

mns wrote: post #26
cpuguy83 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess this time the pro really is for pros. The 120hz on the base model is great.

It’s a phone, who or what are those pros that use this in a pro way? And I’m saying this as a pro owner who only got it for the camera, which I use to take casual photos

The same Prosumers who need AirPods Pro.

I'm the same, thousands and thousands of casual photos of people, animals, flowers, landscapes with a 15 Pro Max. My DSLR sits unused in a case. It has to be the 17 Pro but I'm debating regular or Max.

Re: iPhone 17 Pro and iPhone 17 Pro Max

#99

Post by 00deadbeef »

mfkp wrote: post #32
kingsleyopara wrote: post #7

Surprising there’s no matte-black iPhone 17 Pro - dark, low-reflectance finishes are standard in pro video kit because they minimise specular reflections and stray highlights; keeping a shiny silver finish and skipping a subdued matte black feels like a strange choice and undercuts the “Pro” claim.

put a case on it?

Some people don't use cases

Re: iPhone 17 Pro and iPhone 17 Pro Max

#100

Post by 00deadbeef »

7e wrote: post #83
johncalvinyoung wrote: post #11

The lack of a black iPhone 17 Pro... has me dumbfounded. I might skip this year. I'm really happy with the camera features, but there's less differentiation between base iPhone 17 and 17 Pro this go-round. Probably enough for me to still get the Pro, but the iPhone 17 is looking like a pretty cool option this year.

They're removing black to force people to either upgrade, or make it painfully obvious to their peers that they're using an old phone. That's what you do when there is nothing new in your phone this year. Status signaling and fashion.

Or it could be like the white iPhone 4... delayed because of problems with the finish.

It's obvious to anyone given the radical new design that you have an iPhone 16 Pro or not. That's not the reason for removing black. They'd have removed silver for the same reason if it was.

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