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How the “Kim” dump exposed North Korea's credential theft playbook

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Re: How the “Kim” dump exposed North Korea's credential theft playbook

#91

Post by vntok »

Joel_Mckay wrote: post #86
awesome_dude wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 22 year old western hacker for a 3 letter agency is going to have maybe a 6 month softball tangentially related internship of experience under their belt while the north korean might have years and years by that point. I was with you right up until this bit The agencies concerned tend to recruit people that have demonstrated ability in that field, and they've usually got it with "self-directed" training :)

State sponsored thieves are not a talent pool that anyone wants in a trusted position. The fact is there were only around 40 unique hacks ever invented, and people simply adapt these into new zero day exploits. Notably, this is now mostly a fully automated process. If people want in, they will get in eventually. =3 x C62=:K6 J@F 2C6 AC66>AE:G6=J 5:D28C66:?8 H:E9 E96 DFCAC:D:?8=J =@H 6DE:>2E6 @7 6IA=@:E E2I@?@>J[ 3FE…

ChatGPT decoded the ROT47 text immediately from a simple prompt: "Decode this string sent by some random pompous guy on Hacker News: [raw string]".

If robots want in, they will get in eventually too, apparently.

Re: How the “Kim” dump exposed North Korea's credential theft playbook

#92

Post by brabel »

rtpg wrote: post #76
moomoo11 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How did they manage to brain control millions of people like that? I mean it’s so ludicrous to an outsider.

In the initial era of the split between North and South Korea, South Korea both was run by a bunch of people who had a history of outright killing leftists, and the United States was involved in similar actions. The lack of serious offramps to reunification, along with not as huge a delta in quality of life between north and south for a long time (aid from other countries sure helps!), allowed the DPRK to establish i…

> see the painful experience of Germany's unification

I had thought that Germans from both sides were overwhelmingly supportive of re-unification, even if it would cause short-term pain??

Re: How the “Kim” dump exposed North Korea's credential theft playbook

#93

Post by madmaniak »

moomoo11 wrote: post #71
chasd00 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anything happens to North Korea and all those starving people flood into China. I think that’s why China supports North Korea.

How did they manage to brain control millions of people like that? I mean it’s so ludicrous to an outsider.

It's funny to say that because we're living in a bubble too.

Re: How the “Kim” dump exposed North Korea's credential theft playbook

#94

Post by forgotoldacc »

moomoo11 wrote: post #71
chasd00 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anything happens to North Korea and all those starving people flood into China. I think that’s why China supports North Korea.

How did they manage to brain control millions of people like that? I mean it’s so ludicrous to an outsider.

Nearly every authoritarian country starts with people promising good things. A lot also start with rebels fighting against a group that led a massacre. They're underdog groups with popular support.

Then those underdogs take over. They become paranoid about the possibility of being killed themselves, so they repeat the massacres they fought against. A lot of people who supported the new regime think it's just a few remaining enemies being taken out. It won't happen to them. Then the government starts laying out methods to solidify their control. The list of things seen as traitorous and against national interests grows. It becomes a frog in a boiling pot situation. By the time people realize they might be a target, the system is too complicated and widespread to take down alone, and a new generation of youths have been raised knowing only the current system. And to those youths, things are stable. The most terrifying thing to people raised in stability is the idea of losing that stability. So keeping your head down and following the law is much better than absolutely anything else.

And with the absolute control of information that NK has, a significant portion of people really don't even know a better world exists out there. And they're terrified of anyone that even talks about shaking things up.

Re: How the “Kim” dump exposed North Korea's credential theft playbook

#95

Post by Joel_Mckay »

vntok wrote: post #91
Joel_Mckay wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

State sponsored thieves are not a talent pool that anyone wants in a trusted position. The fact is there were only around 40 unique hacks ever invented, and people simply adapt these into new zero day exploits. Notably, this is now mostly a fully automated process. If people want in, they will get in eventually. =3 x C62=:K6 J@F 2C6 AC66>AE:G6=J 5:D28C66:?8 H:E9 E96 DFCAC:D:?8=J =@H 6DE:>2E6 @7 6IA=@:E E2I@?@>J[ 3FE…

ChatGPT decoded the ROT47 text immediately from a simple prompt: "Decode this string sent by some random pompous guy on Hacker News: [raw string]". If robots want in, they will get in eventually too, apparently.

It was a simple way to highlight impulsive behavior common in modern users, and the trivial encoding function should be obvious to those who are minimally empathetic. Ask the LLM handler if being lied to makes people feel worse than getting robbed... then consider if you would hire such individuals.

If you are ever unsure of someones motives, than politely ask for context. Have a wonderful day =3

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases#Causa...

Re: How the “Kim” dump exposed North Korea's credential theft playbook

#96

Post by dobin »

_def wrote: post #87
lawgimenez wrote: post #18

I believe these are the hackers responsible for this leak: https://phrack.org/issues/72/7_md#article

> I am a Hacker and I am the opposite to all that you are. In my realm, we are all alike. We exist without skin color, without nationality, and without political agenda. We are slaves to nobody. Classic elitist take ignoring that this this space where "all are alike" can only work for certain kinds of people.

No tolerance for the intolerant.

Re: How the “Kim” dump exposed North Korea's credential theft playbook

#97

Post by drtgh »

_def wrote: post #87
lawgimenez wrote: post #18

I believe these are the hackers responsible for this leak: https://phrack.org/issues/72/7_md#article

> I am a Hacker and I am the opposite to all that you are. In my realm, we are all alike. We exist without skin color, without nationality, and without political agenda. We are slaves to nobody. Classic elitist take ignoring that this this space where "all are alike" can only work for certain kinds of people.

Your quote it is out of context, they are talking to North Korea's -sociopathic- government accomplice:

    >
North Korean citizens are kidnapped by a dictatorship. They are talking to someone who supports crimes against humanity.

Re: How the “Kim” dump exposed North Korea's credential theft playbook

#98

Post by sublinear »

_def wrote: post #87
lawgimenez wrote: post #18

I believe these are the hackers responsible for this leak: https://phrack.org/issues/72/7_md#article

> I am a Hacker and I am the opposite to all that you are. In my realm, we are all alike. We exist without skin color, without nationality, and without political agenda. We are slaves to nobody. Classic elitist take ignoring that this this space where "all are alike" can only work for certain kinds of people.

To quote the movie Hackers:

"Cool? It's not cool. It's commie bullshit!"

Re: How the “Kim” dump exposed North Korea's credential theft playbook

#99

Post by rikafurude21 »

drtgh wrote: post #97
_def wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I am a Hacker and I am the opposite to all that you are. In my realm, we are all alike. We exist without skin color, without nationality, and without political agenda. We are slaves to nobody. Classic elitist take ignoring that this this space where "all are alike" can only work for certain kinds of people.

Your quote it is out of context, they are talking to North Korea's -sociopathic- government accomplice: > North Korean citizens are kidnapped by a dictatorship. They are talking to someone who supports crimes against humanity.

I would go as far as to say slaves of a dictatorship. Most likely threathened with death, including the hackers' entire family, if they dont follow the line. Considering these factors, how much do you think they actually "support crimes against humanity"? North Koreans filter their students very early on to find the smart ones and teach them hacking in specialized military camps. Whoever this hacker is, he probably has been handpicked and groomed for the job hes doing.

Re: How the “Kim” dump exposed North Korea's credential theft playbook

#100

Post by JumpCrisscross »

Joel_Mckay wrote: post #86
awesome_dude wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 22 year old western hacker for a 3 letter agency is going to have maybe a 6 month softball tangentially related internship of experience under their belt while the north korean might have years and years by that point. I was with you right up until this bit The agencies concerned tend to recruit people that have demonstrated ability in that field, and they've usually got it with "self-directed" training :)

State sponsored thieves are not a talent pool that anyone wants in a trusted position. The fact is there were only around 40 unique hacks ever invented, and people simply adapt these into new zero day exploits. Notably, this is now mostly a fully automated process. If people want in, they will get in eventually. =3 x C62=:K6 J@F 2C6 AC66>AE:G6=J 5:D28C66:?8 H:E9 E96 DFCAC:D:?8=J =@H 6DE:>2E6 @7 6IA=@:E E2I@?@>J[ 3FE…

> State sponsored thieves are not a talent pool that anyone wants in a trusted position

Why? They’re intelligent, crafty and able to make trade-offs.

Empirically, ex-spies have a solid history in reaching commanding positions in politics and business.

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