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Re: I'm absolutely right

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As I opened the website, the “16” changed to “17”. This looked interesting, as if the data were being updated live just as I loaded the page. Alas, a refresh (and quick check in the Developer Tools) reveals it’s fake and always does the transition. It’s a cool effect, but feels like a dirty trick.

It's a dark pattern

jeez, this is a fun website, can't believe how quickly we're godwining here!

Re: I'm absolutely right

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Reminds me that the reason that loading spinners spin is so that you knew that the loading/system hadn't frozen. That was too hard (you actually had to program something that could understand that it had frozen), so it was just replaced everywhere with an animation that doesn't tell you anything and will spin until the sun burns out. Progress!

…although in many cases you kind of don’t have a choice here, right? If you’re waiting for some API to return data, there’s basically no way to know whether it has stalled. Presumably there will be a timeout, but if the timeout is broken for some reason, the spinner will just spin.

You can't figure out how to fix that? Does that problem seem impossible to you?

Maybe don't start an animation, and instead advance a spinner when a thing happens, and when an API doesn't come back, the thing doesn't get advanced?

Re: I'm absolutely right

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It actually works pretty well when I'm talking to my wife. "Dear, you are absolutely right!"

I always find the claim hilarious that in relationships women are the ones who need to be appeased, when in reality it's mostly men who can't stand being wrong or corrected.

Re: I'm absolutely right

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Not only is that a weird presumption about my ostensible insecurities on your end, it's also weird that the state of my own mental resilience should play any role at all when interacting with a tool. If all other things are equal and one LLM is consistently vaguely annoying, for whatever reason, and the other isn't, I chose the other one. Leaving myself aside, LLMs are broadly available and strongly forced onto every…

> Not only is that a weird presumption about my ostensible insecurities on your end I'm not GP but I agree that it isn't universal, nor especially healthy or productive, to have the response you describe to being told that your issue is common. It would make sense if you could e.g. hear the insincerity in a person's tone of voice, but Gemini outputs text and the concept of sincerity is irrelevant to a computer progra…

> I'm not GP but I agree that it isn't universal, nor especially healthy or productive, to have the response you describe to being told that your issue is common. It would make sense if you could e.g. hear the insincerity in a person's tone of voice, but Gemini outputs text and the concept of sincerity is irrelevant to a computer program.

I now realise that my phrasing isn't good, I thought I was using an universally-known concept, which now makes me sound as if Gemini's output is affecting me more than it does.

What I had in mind is that phenomenon that is utilised e.g. in media: a well-written whodunnit makes you feel smart because you were able to spot the thread all by yourself. Or, a poorly written game (looking at you, 80s text adventures!) lets you die and ridicules you for trying something out, making you feel stupid.

LLMs are generally tuned to make you _feel good_, partly by attempting to tap into the same psychological phenomena, but in this case it causes the polar opposite.

Re: I'm absolutely right

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Gemini keeps telling me "you've hit a common frustration/issue/topic/..." so often it is actively pushing me away from using it. It either makes me feel stupid because I ask it a stupid question and it pretends - probably to not hurt my feelings - that everyone has the same problem, or it makes me feel stupid because I felt smart about asking my super duper edge case question no one else has probably ever asked befor…

Gemini also loves to say how much it deeply regrets its mistakes. In Cursor I pointed out that it needed to change something and I proceeded to watch every single paragraph in the chain of thought start with regrets and apologies.

Re: I'm absolutely right

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They really should add a button "punch me".

When you click the thumbs down icon, imagine it is a more dynamic gesture

You're absolutely right! Unfortunately I can't change the thumbs down button. But your imagination can! You might imagine it "punching down" instead! Do you often feel like you need to punch things?

Here are some totally-not-hallucinated relevant links about anger issues:

[0]: htts://punchingdown.anger/

[1]: http://fixinganger/.com

[3]: url://uscs.science/government-grants/research/anger/humans/anger/?.html

[3]: tel://9

Re: I'm absolutely right

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…although in many cases you kind of don’t have a choice here, right? If you’re waiting for some API to return data, there’s basically no way to know whether it has stalled. Presumably there will be a timeout, but if the timeout is broken for some reason, the spinner will just spin.

You can't figure out how to fix that? Does that problem seem impossible to you? Maybe don't start an animation, and instead advance a spinner when a thing happens, and when an API doesn't come back, the thing doesn't get advanced?

Solve the halting problem to show accurate spinners

Re: I'm absolutely right

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Gemini keeps telling me "you've hit a common frustration/issue/topic/..." so often it is actively pushing me away from using it. It either makes me feel stupid because I ask it a stupid question and it pretends - probably to not hurt my feelings - that everyone has the same problem, or it makes me feel stupid because I felt smart about asking my super duper edge case question no one else has probably ever asked befor…

Gemini also loves to say how much it deeply regrets its mistakes. In Cursor I pointed out that it needed to change something and I proceeded to watch every single paragraph in the chain of thought start with regrets and apologies.

Very good point - at the risk of being called insecure again, I really do not want my tools to apologise to me all the time. That's just silly.
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