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Re: Age verification doesn’t work

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Post by delusional »

Telemakhos wrote: post #56
delusional wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> of course, legacy sources are not affected - incidentally, they're probably more harmful than the prohibited sources What a silly idea. The modern world was built while traditional media existed. The decay and backsliding conicides with modern day social media. How does that point to traditional media being the culprit?

I don’t understand what “traditional media” means in this context. Before the internet, kids didn’t have access to porn. It just wasn’t there when I was growing up. I’m sure someone out there had 8mm or 16mm porn films, but I as a child had no clue where to find those, and the physical stores selling them were not accessible: I didn’t have transportation to them, and they checked ID at the door. I heard of Playboy th…

The parent comment was talking about the other meaning of "media", the "news media". "Traditional media" then means newspapers, radio, and TV. As opposed to "new media" which is idiots yelling at each other on twitter or whatever.

Re: Age verification doesn’t work

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Post by danaris »

ngruhn wrote: post #4

Google can probably infer what I had for breakfast from the way I move the cursor. Can't we have ID-less age verification somehow? Sure, it won't be 100% accurate but keeping out 90% of the kids is a win.

We do.

It has a terrible false positive and false negative rate.

So it's not just a matter of it "keeping out 90% of the kids"; it's a matter of it decreeing that due to unknowable factors, and with no ability to appeal to a human, you are 13, and are no longer allowed to access large chunks of the internet.

Re: Age verification doesn’t work

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Post by Hizonner »

lordhumphrey wrote: post #64
nomilk wrote: post #6

The choice citizens have now is between an 'internet licence' (submit ID's to myriad sites), or an 'internet tax' (VPN). Super annoying! Given Australia doesn't even require Age Verification on porn sites (only on social media sites), the incentives hint this was strongly supported by legacy media (90% of Aussie media is owned by two companies, Newscorp and Nine Entertainment). The internet licence will make it diffi…

The 'internet tax' will not last, either, I fear. Loads of VPNs are simply, someone other than the local ISP gets your data. Mullvad seems trustworthy, as an exception to this, and who else? And even then, Mullvad faces issues from websites and censorious countries trying to block it and bother its users all the time.

... but I don't care if my ISP or the VPN knows I'm watching porn. I just want to actually be able to watch it.

Re: Age verification doesn’t work

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Post by Retric »

chii wrote: post #40
high_na_euv wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>. It's why James Bond stopped smoking in movies, and people smoke far less now. Lol what, what makes you think it was caused by James Bond, not countless other anti smoking initiatives?

It's a feedback loop - smoking was advertised as being cool way back when, which led to movie characters smoking to appear cool, which then reinforces the advertising. When there was a push to regulate smoking in advertising, it cut the original feedback loop which made film/tv characters not use smoking as a sign of being cool. This led to advertising (if it were allowed) to be less effective at portrayal of coolnes…

Vaping took off as a cool thing without a bunch of cool people vaping in movies.

People stopped smoking in movies at the same time a lot of other smoking related things changed. Similarly smokers likely notice people smoking in movies more than non smokers.

Re: Age verification doesn’t work

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Post by Retric »

bgarbiak wrote: post #49
high_na_euv wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>. It's why James Bond stopped smoking in movies, and people smoke far less now. Lol what, what makes you think it was caused by James Bond, not countless other anti smoking initiatives?

It was cool to smoke when all the cool guys in the movies were smoking. One of the reasons it’s not cool anymore is that the cool guys in the movies don’t smoke nowadays (although they do it more often now than they did ten years ago; which is worrying). The correlation between an exposure and initiating smoking is proved: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27043456/

Correlation is not causation, vaping didn’t need movies.

Re: Age verification doesn’t work

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Post by IAmBroom »

classified wrote: post #68
freestingo wrote: post #62

A completely absurd and clearly biased article trying to defend the impossible. Age verification is somehow supposed to be bad for online porn content providers (even though it is already mandatory for real-world porn content providers, for obvious reasons) because... it would hurt their profits and is not 100% effective. Child labour laws also severely hurt company profits and are not 100% effective; so much so that…

Could you please point us to credible sources about how online porn is supposed to be harmful to teenagers, beyond “If they knew I'm watching this, they'd laugh at me”? As for the bad article, it's AI-generated slop.

You're misreading freestingo. They didn't claim it was harmful; the article did.

Re: Age verification doesn’t work

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Post by IAmBroom »

decimalenough wrote: post #5
UrMomsRobotLovr wrote: post #2

This age verification stuff is really poorly designed by law makers. That said, the article points out the number of free VPN services with ad blockers are a problem. Couldn’t they run their own free VPN services that enables access and keeps the ads? Seems like porn VPN would be popular.

No, because law-abiding companies can't offer tools to circumvent the law. As the article says, all this means is that law-abiding porn sites (that, for example, respond to requests to delete CSAM and revenge porn) will go bankrupt and everybody will be driven to sketchypron.xxx instead.

So radar detectors for cars don't exist?

Re: Age verification doesn’t work

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Post by BriggyDwiggs42 »

freestingo wrote: post #62

A completely absurd and clearly biased article trying to defend the impossible. Age verification is somehow supposed to be bad for online porn content providers (even though it is already mandatory for real-world porn content providers, for obvious reasons) because... it would hurt their profits and is not 100% effective. Child labour laws also severely hurt company profits and are not 100% effective; so much so that…

I definitely don’t wanna take it with more than a grain of salt, but they raise good points I think. For example, the idea it’s only enforced on big players so people will just go to shadier sites sounds like an issue IF it’s true. So it sounds more like it would be like 10% effective at keeping kids off porn.

Re: Age verification doesn’t work

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Post by BriggyDwiggs42 »

freddie_mercury wrote: post #25

So the argument is that, even though age verification is required for this line of business in the real world, online it shouldn't be required because their ad-supported model won't be profitable?

They argue it won’t work and will hurt people more than it helps.

Re: Age verification doesn’t work

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Post by BriggyDwiggs42 »

pcthrowaway wrote: post #65

While I agree that there's something dystopian about government-mandated age verification on the web, it's amusing to say the least to see porn companies entering discourse on ethics, since the commodification of sexual services under capitalism is already a tough sell to people who are particularly interested in social justice.

Yeah they’re shit too.
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