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Google can keep its Chrome browser but will be barred from exclusive contracts

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Re: Google can keep its Chrome browser but will be barred from exclusive contracts

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Post by Barbing »

supernova87a wrote: post #56

By the way, a pet peeve of mine right now is that reporters covering court cases (and we have so many of public interest lately) never seem to simply paste the link to the online PDF decision/ruling for us all to read, right in the story. (and another user here kindly did that for us below: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.223... ) It seems such a simple step (they must have been using the rul…

Shoutout Ars Technica, where they never seem to sweat the… lost ad revenue? diminished time on page?… and give the PDF link.

Re: Google can keep its Chrome browser but will be barred from exclusive contracts

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Post by dragonwriter »

b112 wrote: post #63
fidotron wrote: post #19

This is an astonishing victory for Google, they must be very happy about it. They get basically everything they want (keeping it all in the tent), plus a negotiating position on search deals where they can refuse something because they can't do it now. Quite why the judge is so concerned about the rise of AI factoring in here is beyond me. It's fundamentally an anticompetitive decision.

So... Google's punishment is to stop paying Apple and Mozilla for default search deals?! Well I guess that'll help?! (Yes, judges can search for best market solutions)

No, the actual remedy is not yet decided in detail (though sharing some search data is going to be part of it), this ruling was basically setting some parameters of what is on and off the table and then ordering the parties to meet on details before further court action.

Re: Google can keep its Chrome browser but will be barred from exclusive contracts

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Post by the_duke »

bediger4000 wrote: post #49
jonas21 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you not see ChatGPT and Claude as viable alternatives to search? They've certainly replaced a fair chunk of my queries.

I do not. I prefer to read the primary sources, LLM summaries are, after all, probabilistic, and based on syntax. I'm often looking for semantics, and an LLM really really is not going to give me that.

Gemini 2.5 always provides a lot of references, without being prompted to do so.

ChatGPT 5 also does, especially with deep research.

Re: Google can keep its Chrome browser but will be barred from exclusive contracts

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Post by warkdarrior »

ElijahLynn wrote: post #81
supernova87a wrote: post #56

By the way, a pet peeve of mine right now is that reporters covering court cases (and we have so many of public interest lately) never seem to simply paste the link to the online PDF decision/ruling for us all to read, right in the story. (and another user here kindly did that for us below: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.223... ) It seems such a simple step (they must have been using the rul…

So true, I think it should be mandatory to put "sources:" as a consistently placed section in all "news" articles.

Google's AI summary includes links to sources: https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+the+latest+court+rul...

Re: Google can keep its Chrome browser but will be barred from exclusive contracts

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Post by whycome »

supernova87a wrote: post #56

By the way, a pet peeve of mine right now is that reporters covering court cases (and we have so many of public interest lately) never seem to simply paste the link to the online PDF decision/ruling for us all to read, right in the story. (and another user here kindly did that for us below: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.223... ) It seems such a simple step (they must have been using the rul…

Not just court cases. But so many situations where the primary sources are relevant. Most recently, I’ve seen journalists refer to questionable social media posts that they frame in a certain way but the actual posts don’t align with that frame

Re: Google can keep its Chrome browser but will be barred from exclusive contracts

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Post by thayne »

solardev wrote: post #26
colesantiago wrote: post #2

What does this mean for Mozilla? Where would Mozilla get their 80% of revenue from if Google now has to probably sever and end their search deal for Firefox? [0]. [0] https://www.theverge.com/news/660548/firefox-google-search-r...

Ideally Mozilla would go bankrupt and a better-managed org could fork Firefox and pick up from there.

Who would this better managed org be?

And how would they get the necessary funding?

Re: Google can keep its Chrome browser but will be barred from exclusive contracts

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Post by whatevertrevor »

paxys wrote: post #61

> The company can make payments to preload products, but it cannot have exclusive contracts, the decision stated. How is this relevant? Apple is the one selling exclusive access to search on iPhone, not Google.

Yeah, that's an interesting side of this. How is Apple not under any fire for basically weaponizing something as basic as internet search on their platform? If we think this practice is anti-competitive shouldn't we also make it illegal for the platforms to do this?

It's a little bit like sentencing the sex-worker to jail but letting the pimp go scot free.

Re: Google can keep its Chrome browser but will be barred from exclusive contracts

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Post by Barrin92 »

judge2020 wrote: post #43
stackskipton wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Feels like judge was looking for any excuse not to apply harsh penalty and since Google brought up AI as competitor, the judge accepted it as acceptable excuse for very minor penalty.

I mean, it’s a legitimate concern. Google is bleeding so hard right now from Gen Z and especially Gen Alpha deciding to use ChatGPT first and foremost when asking questions that Google would’ve answered previously. Whether or not that means they should keep Chrome as a product is up for debate.

>Google is bleeding so hard right now from Gen Z and especially Gen Alpha deciding to use ChatGPT

Is this an evidence based claim? From the Q2 2025 numbers Google saw double digit revenue growth YoY for search.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jul/23/google-expec...

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