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Re: What's New with Firefox 142

#91

I wonder if it addressed something practical and meaningful...like implementing a spell check that at least covers all of the English language. Maybe then they can start working on the 5 year trek to also make the spellchecker somewhat competent. Or maybe we'll just keep packing features, because everyone here knows, features are what save products! Not usability!

Doesn’t FF use the system Hunspell? And if not, maybe making it do so would be better?

Re: What's New with Firefox 142

#92

I'm genuinely perplexed why people find link previews useful. The page image is too small to really see, and it's not as if rapidly opening and closing a tab actually takes effort. It may be faster than the long click depending how comfortable you are with keyboard controls. I have other questions as well -- does the link preview ignore your plugins? So if you loaded the web page, would uBlock Origin prevent tracking…

It's just horrible. For me the preview doesn't show until I've hovered for ~3 seconds (even before I turned on AI), in which time I could have long since middle clicked the page, skimmed, and closed it again.

This is the content for the preview:

> www.mozilla.org

> What's new with Firefox 142

> What's New | Firefox 142

> 3-4 mins reading time

No OpenGraph descriptions are good, so I can't see it ever being better than this. I don't know why this reading time metric has become a thing, it's useless because it doesn't know which parts of the page I'm interested in. I could actually see the full url from the immediate link preview, so having only the domain here is worse than useless.

The AI summary is both too short and too slow to be useful (unless maybe you're running an RTX 6000 or whatever). For this link, it only mentions Relay.

And even the basic behaviour seems broken. The preview appears at seemingly random locations on the page, sometimes under the cursor and sometimes far below. When it does decide to appear away from the cursor, releasing the mouse button actually follows the link, completely negating the purpose of the preview!

Re: What's New with Firefox 142

#93

I wonder if it addressed something practical and meaningful...like implementing a spell check that at least covers all of the English language. Maybe then they can start working on the 5 year trek to also make the spellchecker somewhat competent. Or maybe we'll just keep packing features, because everyone here knows, features are what save products! Not usability!

Or maybe fixing a few dozen open bugs about losing all open tabs to a /dev/null once in a while. I had it happen twice this year and now extremely vary about even simply normally using browser. Sigh...

Re: What's New with Firefox 142

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When trying to diagnose performance or memory issues with a browser, always start with the installed and enabled extensions.

Yep. Can’t upvote this enough. Next up would be looking closer at the pages you frequent. I think many people would be surprised at all the ways web apps screw up these days. All that said, the browsers, as unfair as it may seem, should do better at handling all of the slop that web app and extension developers put out there. It’s sometimes just a whole lot easier to make the browser more bulletproof than it is to ma…

An alternate between those two endpoints would be to offer better tooling to enable both users and monkeys to identify things contributing to bad outcomes. I don't just mean devtools, either, I mean "oh, it seems this tab is taking up $foo memory because the background image is a 400MB .mp4 and ..." type thing. They went through all the trouble to put AI in the browser, so ask it :-/

Re: What's New with Firefox 142

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These days, I'd say always start with the YouTube tabs.

Youtube is just hopelessly broken on Firefox/Linux anyways. Half the time the home page doesn't even load.

What type of problems do you have? I use YouTube in Firefox on Linux almost every day and as far as I can tell it's working perfectly.

I don't go to the home page, though, only access videos via search (using !yt on Kagi) and by clicking around related videos.

I don't see any memory issues that the OP is talking about, either. Maybe uBlock is fixing it for me?

Re: What's New with Firefox 142

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Lately, I’ve experienced memory leaks in Firefox that I’m too amateur to diagnose, that leads to Firefox eating 8gb of memory in some web renderer process. So when I excitedly check the changelog hoping for a summary of possible changes, I’m disappointed that there isn’t a verbose changelog for advanced users. I’m sure I could search bugzilla, but it makes me sad that the only “important” things are the headlining fe…

It is very likely that one single site is responsible for this. For example in my usage, Jenkins portal is leaking memory like hell, will fill up a few GBs in a a day and jack up CPU utilization to 100%.

I has hundreds of tabs at that point, so I had to find out the culprit. What I did was open a task manager and expand Fifefox process to see dozens of subprocesses. I then sorted by memory (or by cpu) to find out worst offender and killed only that single subprocess without touching others. And after doing that I've looked at the list of tabs and saw that one of them has changed to the crash report tab, with a visibly different icon. And looking at it I saw that it was originally Jenkins portal. Now I proactively close it's tabs and leaks stopped. Maybe this will help you.

Re: What's New with Firefox 142

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> For users in the United States, article recommendations on your New Tab page are now grouped into topic sections like Sports, Food, and Entertainment to make stories more organized and easier to scan. You can also follow topics you’re interested in and block ones you’d prefer not to see, giving you more control over what shows up when you open a new tab. Ladybird cannot come fast enough…

Look, I'm with you on alternate implementations, but throwing out Firefox just because they decided to follow Edge down the "be the Yahoo of browsers" may be baby-with-the-bathwater type thing. It's painless to evict all that junk, even though I strongly agree that it should not be necessary in a browser

Re: What's New with Firefox 142

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These days, I'd say always start with the YouTube tabs.

Youtube is just hopelessly broken on Firefox/Linux anyways. Half the time the home page doesn't even load.

Same, it started this year. Once a week or two YT just refuses to render its page completely.

Re: What's New with Firefox 142

#99

I'm genuinely perplexed why people find link previews useful. The page image is too small to really see, and it's not as if rapidly opening and closing a tab actually takes effort. It may be faster than the long click depending how comfortable you are with keyboard controls. I have other questions as well -- does the link preview ignore your plugins? So if you loaded the web page, would uBlock Origin prevent tracking…

They would be very useful if they were instead in form of a META image and then just the website text. Not the entire website design.

Interesting thought. A lot of sites have been adding various META tags for link previews in social media, it might be neat to have a browser native form of that, especially because making it a browser feature could help push it back to open standards (right now most of them are OpenGraph which despite "open" in the name is still somewhat proprietary to Facebook/Meta and Twitter Cards which will probably forever be called that).

One interesting breakdown: https://getoutofmyhead.dev/link-preview-meta-tags/

(ETA: This does seem to be what the feature actually does, having now tried it. Ignoring the AI Summary feature part of it, most of it does appear to be META tag driven and uses the card images of OpenGraph/Twitter Cards.)

Re: What's New with Firefox 142

#100
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Does Firefox still block clipboard history apps from accessing private windows with no way to turn it off? Haven't used Firefox since that change.

Friend, do I understand that you're mad that private windows don't allow the system to introspect what content you're viewing in a private window?

BTW, in the spirit of being helpful: if you're using private windows just for 'fresh session' behavior, Firefox offers two other knobs for that outcome: Profiles and Containers. In Chrome I'm with you that Incognito can be a very cheap way to login to a site multiple times, but in FF you have more choices about that problem

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