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When the sun will literally set on what's left of the British Empire

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Re: When the sun will literally set on what's left of the British Empire

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As an outsider I consider Canada and Australia - British Empire. Hard to think otherwise as they have the same king.

We do not have the same king. The King of Great Brittan is not the King of Canada, they just happen to be the same person. Is the US also part of the British Empire?

Obviously not as US does not have king in their legal system at all.

Re: When the sun will literally set on what's left of the British Empire

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As an outsider I consider Canada and Australia - British Empire. Hard to think otherwise as they have the same king.

To be satisfyingly pedantic, my King isn’t the same King. Mine is the King of Canada. It just happens to be the same person as the King of England and the King of Australia ;)

Do you have different rules for succession to where it might eventually be a different person?

Re: When the sun will literally set on what's left of the British Empire

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be satisfyingly pedantic, my King isn’t the same King. Mine is the King of Canada. It just happens to be the same person as the King of England and the King of Australia ;)

Coincidentally, that has been true for a while, through multiple kings/queens of Canada.

Since 1984. One of the facts I learned for the Canadian citizenship exam.

So only Elizabeth and Charles.

Re: When the sun will literally set on what's left of the British Empire

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post #75

As an outsider I consider Canada and Australia - British Empire. Hard to think otherwise as they have the same king.

We do not have the same king. The King of Great Brittan is not the King of Canada, they just happen to be the same person. Is the US also part of the British Empire?

Canada is no longer part of the British Empire. Neither is the US, since the end of the War of Independence. That’s what independence means.

Re: When the sun will literally set on what's left of the British Empire

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As an outsider I consider Canada and Australia - British Empire. Hard to think otherwise as they have the same king.

To be satisfyingly pedantic, my King isn’t the same King. Mine is the King of Canada. It just happens to be the same person as the King of England and the King of Australia ;)

I guess the Axiom of Extensionality doesn’t apply to kings. Interesting.

Re: When the sun will literally set on what's left of the British Empire

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I don't think so, did you forget about the Umbrella Movement?

That was over a decade ago. There is almost an entire generation that has come up since then, being told China is good and British is bad. And in the meantime China made protesting illegal, and now rounds up and ships off anyone who protests. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/sep/28/i-was-so-naive... But more importantly, it's more complicated than just China good/bad: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/202…

>That was over a decade ago.

You make me feel old

>In June 2019, millions took to the streets again in massive pro-democracy protests.

This was only 6 years ago.

>Hong Kongers ages 35 and older are more likely than their younger counterparts to feel very close to China.

That's the exact opposite of what you claim.

I agree they'll likely succeed in the end but they have not yet made HK just another part of China.

Re: When the sun will literally set on what's left of the British Empire

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post #75

As an outsider I consider Canada and Australia - British Empire. Hard to think otherwise as they have the same king.

To be satisfyingly pedantic, my King isn’t the same King. Mine is the King of Canada. It just happens to be the same person as the King of England and the King of Australia ;)

Much like how one of the princes of Andorra is the same person who is president of France.

Re: When the sun will literally set on what's left of the British Empire

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post #31

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I wonder what will be the legacy of the British Empire. The Roman Empire lived on in a sense as many of the barbarian kingdoms purported to be continuations of the empire for a long time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbarian_kingdoms . That hasn’t been the case with the British Empire.

America? the Anglosphere? the improvements to India? The almost complete eradication of slavery? The web? The British Empire arguably has a greater legacy than the Roman Empire.

> the improvements to India

You can't be serious.

Re: When the sun will literally set on what's left of the British Empire

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post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That was over a decade ago. There is almost an entire generation that has come up since then, being told China is good and British is bad. And in the meantime China made protesting illegal, and now rounds up and ships off anyone who protests. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/sep/28/i-was-so-naive... But more importantly, it's more complicated than just China good/bad: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/202…

>That was over a decade ago. You make me feel old >In June 2019, millions took to the streets again in massive pro-democracy protests. This was only 6 years ago. >Hong Kongers ages 35 and older are more likely than their younger counterparts to feel very close to China. That's the exact opposite of what you claim. I agree they'll likely succeed in the end but they have not yet made HK just another part of China.

> You make me feel old

I watched the changeover live on TV in my 20s. :)

>> Hong Kongers ages 35 and older are more likely than their younger counterparts to feel very close to China.

> That's the exact opposite of what you claim.

No, it's not. What I said was young people have been growing up with propaganda, and of the people who were there for the changeover and remember it (people over 35), the ones who don't like China have left the country because they could. The ones under 35 (well technically 28) don't have that option, because you had to be born before the changeover to get the British citizenship, which is what lets you easily move to Canada, Australia, and lots of other places.

Which would mean that those over 35 that are still there are the ones that were already pro-China. So that tracks with the data.

In other words, China is indoctrinating the youth and the people who have to option to leave and hate China are leaving, so only the people that love China or were indoctrinated by it are left behind.

Re: When the sun will literally set on what's left of the British Empire

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As an outsider I consider Canada and Australia - British Empire. Hard to think otherwise as they have the same king.

Does their king have any more hard powers in Canada or Australia than, say, Taylor Swift or some other rich celebrity?

In 1975 the British Queen instructed her representative the governor general to dismiss the Australian prime minister, dissolving the Australian parliament.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1975_Australian_constitution...

In principle this power still exists. Whether Charles could pull off the same trick depends on the political situation on the ground.

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