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Re: Framework Laptop 16

#91

Post by bcrosby95 »

Monotoko wrote: post #81

I built my ideal laptop... 4TB storage, the 5070, all the mods I would need, and it comes to $4000+ :( My ASUS ROG Strix cost me $1500 back when the 3080's were new and has a 3080. Have prices risen that much?

I built a ROG Zephyrus equivalent: The ROG is $2,100 and the Framework is $2700.

So its more expensive but not $1500 vs $4000 expensive.

This was comparing the lowest end model ROG because that's the only one with a 5070. It was also 100% like-for-like, such as paying for windows, something I personally wouldn't do with a framework.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by gloxkiqcza »

Deuter8 wrote: post #6
nrp wrote: post #4

I'm happy to answer questions around the new product.

I literally just want a touchpad with buttons. These new 'clickpads' are the bane of my existence. They are so much slower, and certain workflows are impossible. I must use an external mouse now with modern laptops. Why can no laptop manufacturer even make this an option ?

Can’t you map a keyboard button as a mouse click? I agree it’s not the best workaround but it should be a functional one, right?

Re: Framework Laptop 16

#93

Post by Aurornis »

Deuter8 wrote: post #6
nrp wrote: post #4

I'm happy to answer questions around the new product.

I literally just want a touchpad with buttons. These new 'clickpads' are the bane of my existence. They are so much slower, and certain workflows are impossible. I must use an external mouse now with modern laptops. Why can no laptop manufacturer even make this an option ?

> Why can no laptop manufacturer even make this an option?

Because it’s a variation of both the case and the internals that brings a higher failure rate, more dust ingress, more moving parts, and, most importantly, would rarely be chosen.

> They are so much slower,

They are objectively faster because you can click anywhere rather than moving a finger to a button or keeping one finger always on the button.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

#94

Post by asveikau »

DiabloD3 wrote: post #15

Kinda wish you guys didn't have an Nvidia product at all. It's only really useful for Windows users, but openly hostile and offensive to Linux desktop users.

I run FreeBSD on a machine with an NVIDIA card and it works pretty well, even if the driver is a little sketchy. If it works on FreeBSD of all things I'm going to guess it works well on Linux.

I run Xorg, though. I guess Wayland is a sticking point.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

#95

Post by rsyring »

Monotoko wrote: post #81

I built my ideal laptop... 4TB storage, the 5070, all the mods I would need, and it comes to $4000+ :( My ASUS ROG Strix cost me $1500 back when the 3080's were new and has a 3080. Have prices risen that much?

Buy the core parts from Framework and then buy & install things like NVMe and memory yourself. Will save a considerable amount.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by stijnveken »

Monotoko wrote: post #81

I built my ideal laptop... 4TB storage, the 5070, all the mods I would need, and it comes to $4000+ :( My ASUS ROG Strix cost me $1500 back when the 3080's were new and has a 3080. Have prices risen that much?

Storage is expensive at framework. I bought the storage for my 16 elsewhere and it was substantially cheaper.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

#97

Post by neilv »

christiangenco wrote: post #42
juujian wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You knew the question was coming. ThinkPad style trackpoint keyboard!

Hah, I'm curious if this is legally possible. I've never seen that on any non-ThinkPad laptop.

A TrackPoint-like "pointy stick" has been on some other major brands:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pointing_stick#Naming_and_bran...

Re: Framework Laptop 16

#98

Post by rsyring »

digdugdirk wrote: post #12

Random question for framework owners - my 1st gen Framework 13 recently started screaming it's fans all day, every day, even when it's asleep. Where's the best places to go for troubleshooting, user guides, etc? I've played with all the bios and framework settings I can find, so I'm guessing it's hardware related, if that changes the resource recommendations.

> Where's the best places to go for troubleshooting, user guides, etc?

- Framework community forums: https://community.frame.work/

- Framework guides: https://guides.frame.work/c/Root

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by dismalaf »

kibwen wrote: post #79
ksec wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Problem is none of the trackpad on PC are as good as the Apple trackpad

Hardware-wise, no, I've had plenty of PC trackpads that are better than Apple trackpads. But MacOS tends to have better built-in support for advanced gestures, which seem to be impossible on Windows and must be manually configured on Linux (but gives you enormous power once you do).

GNOME on Wayland has lots of useful gestures out of the box. It's part of the DE though, so lots of DEs don't have them.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

#100

Post by School-Cotton »

asveikau wrote: post #94
DiabloD3 wrote: post #15

Kinda wish you guys didn't have an Nvidia product at all. It's only really useful for Windows users, but openly hostile and offensive to Linux desktop users.

I run FreeBSD on a machine with an NVIDIA card and it works pretty well, even if the driver is a little sketchy. If it works on FreeBSD of all things I'm going to guess it works well on Linux. I run Xorg, though. I guess Wayland is a sticking point.

It does, GP is just exaggerating. Historically people find Nvidia annoying because the drivers are closed-source, it didn't work well with Wayland for years, etc., but it's just not true to say it doesn't work.
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