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The air is hissing out of the overinflated AI balloon

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Re: The air is hissing out of the overinflated AI balloon

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Post by petralithic »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #42
blibble wrote: post #31

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they are quite impressively bad in 2025 how is it so hard to make a user interface that doesn't lag like a bastard on every scroll/click/... it's almost as bad as their terrible, terrible, terrible app

> in 2025 how is it so hard to make a user interface that doesn't lag like a bastard on every scroll/click/... Because everything is done in fucking React or Node or Blazor or whatever the newest flavor of this wRiTe oNcE rUn aNyWheRe bollocks is, because it always, always, always the exact same fucking thing: abstracting UI elements to fucking goddamn JavaScript and running it in a browser. And heaven knows McDonald…

What technology would you use instead then?

Re: The air is hissing out of the overinflated AI balloon

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Post by hackable_sand »

aabhay wrote: post #13
jqpabc123 wrote: post #2

One of the lowest level jobs in the market is taking orders at a fast food drive thru. If AI can't do this job, it probably can't do yours either. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c722gne7qngo Bottom line: AI has very poor grasp of reality --- because (surprise, surprise) it has zero real world experience.

Many fast food places now have tablet based ordering, so turns out AI wasn’t needed for software to take away jobs. That said, AI could do that job perfectly well. The reason we still have human to human interaction when you order is that it creates a more interesting environment for employees, who crave at least some kind of human contact. And customers will pay marginally more for the food if they get some human co…

I would love to meet the idiot that believes this. I have some money to make $$$

Re: The air is hissing out of the overinflated AI balloon

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Post by diggan »

SoftTalker wrote: post #53
diggan wrote: post #51

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I almost always (except if there is a big queue) customize something, because then it's guaranteed made at the spot, instead of the heated old stuff. And since I started using the kiosks, the orders are always right, and fresh.

A custom order used to be a hack to be sure you got a freshly-made sandwich and not one that had been sitting in a warmer for 15 minutes, but they make everything to order now. And they still fuck them up, often.

> but they make everything to order now.

Hard to know for a fact without knowing where I live, I'm guessing :) FWIW, it's not true at McDonalds in Spain, they definitely have popular stuff sitting behind the counter for longer than the items you customize here.

Re: The air is hissing out of the overinflated AI balloon

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Post by dmonitor »

scotty79 wrote: post #59
an0malous wrote: post #45

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I use a notes app multiple times a day for work. Does this make notes apps worth $1T in global investments?

No, because to replace a notes app you need pen and paper. But to replace LLM you need at least a human. There's literally nothing else. And humans don't come cheap.

Most AI applications are just enhanced google (to make up for how trashed google got by LLMs!)

Re: The air is hissing out of the overinflated AI balloon

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Post by dlivingston »

mh- wrote: post #79
jjmarr wrote: post #72

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Every fast food place I've been to, a "plain cheeseburger" includes cheese. However, at every high-end burger place I've been to, "plain" does NOT include cheese. So there is a somewhat standard meaning. I have this conversation enough that I now call out "plain no cheese" and ensure "no cheese" is written on the ticket.

That's a strange source of confusion. A plain cheeseburger without cheese has a different name: a plain hamburger. I can't imagine saying "cheeseburger", no matter what qualifying words around it, and being surprised it included cheese.

I have a very funny childhood memory of being in a McDonalds with my Cub Scout chapter; one of the boys ordered a "cheeseburger with no cheese", which - of course - was delivered with cheese, and the boy's father escalated the 'situation' to management.

Re: The air is hissing out of the overinflated AI balloon

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Post by diggan »

ecshafer wrote: post #61
diggan wrote: post #46

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> Customer says "I want a cheeseburger, plain", Mcdonalds puts that in as "Cheesebuger, no ketchup, mustard, onion or pickle". Customers will take plain to mean a dozen different things. Isn't it up to the person who is receiving the order to ask clarifying questions then? Since they know it's potentially unclear/ambiguous, why not try to resolve the ambiguity before making the order?

99% of orders are not made incorrectly, and you're being told to go faster and keep times low. Is this the 1 order of the hour that the person will come back and complain that its wrong? Is this person going to come back regardless and say it was wrong to get free food? Its unambiguous enough to not be worth the time.

Be a bit smooth about it: as you type in the order, verbally say out loud what you're entering with other words, then ask them to confirm. No lost time, potentially less people to deal with in the future, win-win.

Re: The air is hissing out of the overinflated AI balloon

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Post by thegrim33 »

fragmede wrote: post #89
Jensson wrote: post #85

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Why is it silly? Cars haven't fundamentally changed in the past 50 years, they have gotten a lot better but not in a game changing way, society still functions the same with cars as 50 years ago. I see the same thing with text models, you can say they improve but not in a game changing way, and you have the same scenario as cars. It wouldn't be wrong for a person to say "cars are as good as they ever going to get" 50…

Tesla self-driving/Waymo/Comma.ai isn't perfect, but they're good at what they do. That's a pretty dramatic change, in the last year or so. You get in the car, and then don't actually have to drive it, the car does it for you. Sure there are some corner cases that still haven't been solved, but most of the time, I get in the car and it just does its thing for me.

Something I've been doing a lot lately is investigating the people on HN that push various beliefs, and in this comment thread there's two voices pushing for how much AI is going to continue to grow, going forwards.

Who are these two voices? Well, we've got fragmede, who, looking through their HN profile, works at NVIDIA as a "senior AI infrastructure engineer", and we've got mh-, who, looking through their HN profile, works at Wunderkind, which is "pioneering a new category of AI agentic marketing".

So, the two people in here pushing messaging about how great and valuable AI is, and how it'll continue to get better, have their jobs/livelihood tied to AI and people continuing to pour money into AI.

It almost always turns out that way. The people protesting the loudest for some idea universally are somehow tied to profiting by convincing people of that idea. Not that that means they're wrong, of course. Just providing context.

Re: The air is hissing out of the overinflated AI balloon

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Post by goalieca »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #40

The MIT report that found 90% of workers are regularly using LLMs at work, many of them even multiple times daily [1], somehow has become the spark of the recent explosion of "AI has failed" articles. Which is ironic, because it shows that the people we trust to write with integrity are either only reading the headlines or purposely misleading with their articles. If that's the case, LLMs cannot replace these primary…

Executives are telling their employees to use AI or else..

It feels like tokens are the new pieces of flair.

Re: The air is hissing out of the overinflated AI balloon

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Post by fragmede »

thegrim33 wrote: post #97
fragmede wrote: post #89

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Tesla self-driving/Waymo/Comma.ai isn't perfect, but they're good at what they do. That's a pretty dramatic change, in the last year or so. You get in the car, and then don't actually have to drive it, the car does it for you. Sure there are some corner cases that still haven't been solved, but most of the time, I get in the car and it just does its thing for me.

Something I've been doing a lot lately is investigating the people on HN that push various beliefs, and in this comment thread there's two voices pushing for how much AI is going to continue to grow, going forwards. Who are these two voices? Well, we've got fragmede, who, looking through their HN profile, works at NVIDIA as a "senior AI infrastructure engineer", and we've got mh-, who, looking through their HN profil…

My comment wasn’t about AI infra, my job, or broad societal changes. I write code for a living and worry about losing my job to AI like any other developer. I was just describing my experience with self-driving cars doing their thing. The key is whether the argument holds up on its merits. Pointing to someone’s job is background context, not a substitute for engaging with what they actually said.
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