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Go native, HTML5 is going to lag for a while

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Re: Go native, HTML5 is going to lag for a while

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Post by erichocean »

Zigurd wrote: post #87
kybernetikos wrote: post #85

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> "Write-once run everywhere" has zero value to the end user. They want the best Facebook/g+/Twitter/whatever experience possible on the platform they use. Exactly, and if Mr Enduser X can get it on his weird platform because it runs HTML, that's a massive piece of value to him. Also, while he wants a good experience, he wants it to be free too and the cost in building and maintaining multiple codebases for client li…

That argument is a little circular. If a platform has significant market share, apps get ported to that platform. If not, it doesn't matter. Before there were Web apps, all software makers wrote apps for multiple platforms. Porting to a platform has a cost, but, for a successful software company, not a relatively large cost. Even unprofitable platforms are likely to be supported by some software makers as a way of er…

Before there were Web apps, all software makers wrote apps for multiple platforms.

I think you meant: Before there were web apps, most software makers wrote apps for Windows.

Because that's what actually happened.

Re: Go native, HTML5 is going to lag for a while

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Post by prpatel »

CJefferson wrote: post #77
prpatel wrote: post #71

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What? You make no sense. In your original article you advocate going native for now and eschewing Web tech. Now you say that "you're golden" if you use Web tech? Then you top it off by saying bridging down to native is slow..... Are you just talking out of your ass? Have you actually built an application using Ansca Corona, Ruby Motion, or Appcelerator Titanium? Have you built a published native and Phonegap app to t…

Could you please either link to a copy of your talk, or some material? Or alternatively (if possible), just give the 3 sentence version of your talk? I'm just about to decide what to system to build a new project on, and I'm interested in your opinion.

i'd be happy to google hangout with you to help ya'll. ping me on twitter at 'prpatel'

Re: Go native, HTML5 is going to lag for a while

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Post by prpatel »

CJefferson wrote: post #77
prpatel wrote: post #71

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What? You make no sense. In your original article you advocate going native for now and eschewing Web tech. Now you say that "you're golden" if you use Web tech? Then you top it off by saying bridging down to native is slow..... Are you just talking out of your ass? Have you actually built an application using Ansca Corona, Ruby Motion, or Appcelerator Titanium? Have you built a published native and Phonegap app to t…

Could you please either link to a copy of your talk, or some material? Or alternatively (if possible), just give the 3 sentence version of your talk? I'm just about to decide what to system to build a new project on, and I'm interested in your opinion.

...or go watch this video. It's a pretty decent (and balanced) overview of the dev options out there: http://www.infoq.com/presentations/Cross-Platform-Mobile

Re: Go native, HTML5 is going to lag for a while

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Post by TheFuture »

DigitalSea wrote: post #14

Lets get this straight, the limitations in performance on Mobile Safari are very much deliberate limitations. Do you seriously think a company like Apple who gets a pretty large chunk of app store sales is going to let something like HTML5, CSS3 and Javascript steal it's profits away? Fat chance. Although it even rings true for desktop browsers not being able to perform as optimally in regards to some HTML5 features…

App Store profit for Apple is a rounding error on their balance sheet.

Selling phones (and tablets) that can do amazing and powerful tasks is what makes Apple money. That's why they have invested so much into creating the iOS SDK, to enable developers. It is a fantastic platform, elegant and powerful that leverages their hardware.

If Apple could have gotten that same quality of software with web apps, why wouldn't they have chosen that as the platform and immediately have had millions of web devs ready to build for their mobile OS?

What the HTML5 evangelists fail to admit, is that HTML5+JS+CSS is a damn mess. We've been hearing for 10+ years how web apps are the cross-platform silver bullet. It's not.

Re: Go native, HTML5 is going to lag for a while

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Post by prpatel »

mikecane wrote: post #68

I've read all the Comments and at the time I'm writing this, I'm scratching my head because I don't see a single mention of Open webOS. Have all of you written it off or is it just too early to be on anyone's radar?

IMO there's too much uncertainty over WebOS. There's no real deployment of these devices (dwarfed by even Windows Phone at this point), the helter-skelter handling of killing it and bringing it back has scared people (thanks Apotheker for coming in an destroying WebOS and HP in general!), and a roadmap that hasn't unfolded yet.

Re: Go native, HTML5 is going to lag for a while

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Post by sil3ntmac »

chj wrote: post #51

Let's face the reality. THe HTML5+CSS3+JS is over complicated. It's not going to stop lagging for the same jobs that native apps can handle well. Not even your computer is sped up 2x. Because native apps will always make it look bad. However it should be fast enough for ebook production, if the typography is done right.

Don't generalize. The reality is that for certain apps (esp. simple, data-driven ones a la ebooks), web is certainly not overcomplicated, and in many times can be nearly indistinguishable from a native app. And it is -- albeit slowly -- getting better.

Re: Go native, HTML5 is going to lag for a while

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Post by batista »

no_more_death wrote: post #61
batista wrote: post #53

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> It's been two and a half years since that, and still HTML5 has major issues. Given Apple's engineering prowess, I doubt that HTML5 is a priority for them, or else they would've had a great implementation by now. Well, noticed how Android's own web browser is even worse in HTML5 than Mobile Safari? And this is Google, the guys that really like mobile html5 apps. Fact is, it's not that easy to make a good mobile brow…

Picking on one point: "Well, noticed how Android's own web browser is even worse in HTML5 than Mobile Safari" The stock Android browser fell behind in late 2010. If you follow PPK of quirksmode.org you know this (e.g., the following article was authored just before stock android fell behind: http://www.quirksmode.org/mobile/browsers.html ). After that article he really began hating all over Android due to the fall-be…

>such as the S3 which singlehandedly outsold the iPhone in August.

You mean it outsold the iPhone in the month before the announcement of the NEW iPhone, that everybody interested in one expected and hold off for?

Doesn't sound that big of a feat...

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