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Re: DeepSeek-v3.1

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Incredible how "keeping their people down" means leaps in personal wealth and happiness for huge swathes of the population and internal criticism is that it is a "poverty reduction machine" that is too focused.

If they had a government like Taiwan they would be significantly wealthier. Their government is a drag and should not steal credit from the actual people who made that wealth with their hard work and entrepreneurship.

Re: DeepSeek-v3.1

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I added it since many people who used Unsloth don't know how to compile llama.cpp, so the only way from Python's side is to either (1) Install it via apt-get within the Python shell (2) Error out then tell the user to install it first, then continue again I chose (1) since it was mainly for ease of use for the user - but I agree it's not a good idea sorry! :( I also added a section to manually compile llama.cpp here:…

Hey man, I was seeing your comments and you do seem to respond to each and everyone nicely regarding this sudo shenanigan.

I think that you have removed sudo so this is nice, my suggestion is pretty similar to that of pxc (basically determine different distros and use them as that)

I wonder if we will ever get a working universal package manager in linux, to me flatpak genuinely makes the most sense even sometimes for cli but flatpak isn't built for cli unlike snap which both support cli and gui but snap is proprietory.

Re: DeepSeek-v3.1

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Dude, this is NEVER ok. What in the world??? A third party LIBRARY running sudo commands? That’s just insane. You just fail and print a nice error message telling the user exactly what they need to do, including the exact apt command or whatever that they need to run.

Yes I had that at the start, but people kept complaining they don't know how to actually run terminal commands, hence the shortcut :( I was thinking if I can do it during the pip install or via setup.py which will do the apt-get instead. As a fallback, I'll probably for now remove shell executions and just warn the user

Don't optimize for these people.

Re: DeepSeek-v3.1

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For reference, here is the terminal-bench leaderboard: https://www.tbench.ai/leaderboard Looks like it doesn't get close to GPT-5, Claude 4, or GLM-4.5, but still does reasonably well compared to other open weight models. Benchmarks are rarely the full story though, so time will tell how good it is in practice.

garbage benchmark, inconsistent mix of "agent tools" and models. if you wanted to present a meaningful benchmark, the agent tools will stay the same and then we can really compare the models. there are plenty of other benchmarks that disagree with these, with that said. from my experience most of these benchmarks are trash. use the model yourself, apply your own set of problems and see how well it fairs.

Hey. I like your roast on benchmarks.

I also publish my own evals on new models (using coding tasks that I curated myself, without tools, rated by human with rubrics). Would love you to check out and give your thoughts:

Example recent one on GPT-5:

https://eval.16x.engineer/blog/gpt-5-coding-evaluation-under...

All results:

https://eval.16x.engineer/evals/coding

Re: DeepSeek-v3.1

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I added it since many people who used Unsloth don't know how to compile llama.cpp, so the only way from Python's side is to either (1) Install it via apt-get within the Python shell (2) Error out then tell the user to install it first, then continue again I chose (1) since it was mainly for ease of use for the user - but I agree it's not a good idea sorry! :( I also added a section to manually compile llama.cpp here:…

Hey man, I was seeing your comments and you do seem to respond to each and everyone nicely regarding this sudo shenanigan. I think that you have removed sudo so this is nice, my suggestion is pretty similar to that of pxc (basically determine different distros and use them as that) I wonder if we will ever get a working universal package manager in linux, to me flatpak genuinely makes the most sense even sometimes fo…

Hey :) I love suggestions and keep them coming! :)

I agree on handling different distros - sadly I'm not familiar with others, so any help would be appreciated! For now I'm most familiar with apt-get, but would 100% want to expand out!

Interesting will check flatpak out!

Re: DeepSeek-v3.1

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Looks to be the ~same intelligence as gpt-oss-120B, but about 10x slower and 3x more expensive? https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/deepseek-v3-1-reasoning

I don't think you're necessarily wrong, but your source is currently only showing a single provider. Comparing:

https://openrouter.ai/openai/gpt-oss-120b and https://openrouter.ai/deepseek/deepseek-chat-v3.1 for the same providers is probably better, although gpt-oss-120b has been around long enough to have more providers, and presumably for hosters to get comfortable with it / optimize hosting of it.

Re: DeepSeek-v3.1

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Yes I had that at the start, but people kept complaining they don't know how to actually run terminal commands, hence the shortcut :( I was thinking if I can do it during the pip install or via setup.py which will do the apt-get instead. As a fallback, I'll probably for now remove shell executions and just warn the user

Don't optimize for these people.

Yep agreed - I primarily thought it was a reasonable "hack", but it's pretty bad security wise, so apologies again.

The current solution hopefully is in between - ie sudo is gone, apt-get will run only after the user agrees by pressing enter, and if it fails, it'll tell the user to read docs on installing llama.cpp

Re: DeepSeek-v3.1

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There is one: https://pricepertoken.com/

Claude's Opus pricing is nuts. I'd be surprised if anyone uses it without the top max subscription.

FWIW I have the €20 Pro plan and exchange maybe 20 messages with Opus (with thinking) every day, including one weeks-long conversation. Plus a few dozen Sonnet tasks and occasionally light weight CC.

I'm not a programmer, though - engineering manager.

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