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Why you can’t grow cool-climate plants in hot climates

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Re: Why you can’t grow cool-climate plants in hot climates

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Good thing we're not doing anything silly like heating the entire planet. That would be a very alarming finding if we were.

On the upside, since Trump's tariffs are going to make importing tomatoes/etc from Mexico in winter unaffordable, maybe winter here will become warm enough that we can grow them here!

The Iowa corn crop may start failing, but we can start growing pineapples instead. Cows eat pineapples, right ?

Re: Why you can’t grow cool-climate plants in hot climates

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Disingenuous. Here is the correct chart to link if you want to assert emissions by country: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/annual-co2-emissions-per-...

How does that make sense? The US reduced their emissions by shifting production to China, and China gladly lapped it up (in massive amounts). It would be good to have a graph showing where the ultimate products of these emissions ended up.

Ask and you shall receive: https://ourworldindata.org/consumption-based-co2

You will notice that the picture does not change radically if you include emissions from trade (which is what you were asking).

Turns out while China expects a lot of stuff to the us, it doesn’t have that big of an impact on net emissions.

Re: Why you can’t grow cool-climate plants in hot climates

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> cut back on all the crazy things we’re doing How would you get grant money for that?

Wouldn't it be the same way one would get money for bioengineering the global ecosystem? At least we know how we'd go about one of these options.

I think cutting back on what we're doing already wouldn't draw a lot of grant support.

We can make a presentation showing "Look, if we just ate in-season locally-grown vegetables and wore clothes made from the fibres of our locally grown nettles and wool we could solve the climate crisis in maybe 100 years!"...

It doesn't seem to be economically compelling for people in the UK or US who are getting tomatoes in January, living in a house made from bricks mass-produced in the third world, and clothed in threads made in Bangladesh.

I hope things can change, but it will take people waking up to the fact that their comfort is bought at the expense of many people far away suffering through long ass work days, and even if they then recognize it why would they change their habits?

I want everyone to live in sloth gardens - just reach out, grab a leaf, and there's your food.

It's a dream but that's how we grow <3

Re: Why you can’t grow cool-climate plants in hot climates

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Can you tell us a bit more about your greenhouse/hoop house? I’m in the CO front range - so very dry, cool nights, but quite hot in the sun. Our patio is getting re-done and I’m thinking about how I might rebuild our planters to better support growing tomatoes.

Sure. I intend to put it in a blog at some point. I'm several hundred miles due south of you in SE New Mexico, also right along the rocky front range, so similar climate with intense sun and day/night temp swings, although we are much warmer obviously. The frame of the shade house in the video is cattle panels and the cover is called "aluminet". The cattle panels are hooped and tied to a wooden frame with posts sunk…

This is excellent - thank you. We have extreme wind as well - so that was a piece I’ve been trying to keep in mind.

Re: Why you can’t grow cool-climate plants in hot climates

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In southern Sweden the vast spruce forests are starting to die because of the spruce bark beetle. You can see it everywhere now.

Supposedly due to warmer summers.

And new planatation replace spruce by larch or leaf trees.

Luckily they don't seem to affect pine trees, but they have their own climate expectations.

Re: Why you can’t grow cool-climate plants in hot climates

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The moment anyone tries anything on that scale of geoengineering, they will immediately be blamed for whatever weather-based natural disasters that follow. I just don’t see how this can work without creating massive diplomatic tensions.

I mean, if I had Elon Musk money, I'd build some kind of giant carbon capture mechanism. Perhaps I'd buy the largest basalt quarry I could find and start sequestering carbon at a planetary scale. It would cost a ton of money, but I'd do it in secret. If it worked, eventually it would show up on the scales, and I'd emerge from the shadows. This particular method of carbon capture could potentially work at a planetary…

It's very much the wrong time to scale carbon capture. Doing some pilot plants for research is a good idea, but if your goal is to see the effects on the global plots, you should be working on something else.

There's a sibling with the long-form reasoning. The problem is that we are pushing a lot of new carbon into the atmosphere, you just won't be able to scale anything enough and there's a really big opportunity cost to try to push the tide away.

Re: Why you can’t grow cool-climate plants in hot climates

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How does that make sense? The US reduced their emissions by shifting production to China, and China gladly lapped it up (in massive amounts). It would be good to have a graph showing where the ultimate products of these emissions ended up.

Ask and you shall receive: https://ourworldindata.org/consumption-based-co2 You will notice that the picture does not change radically if you include emissions from trade (which is what you were asking). Turns out while China expects a lot of stuff to the us, it doesn’t have that big of an impact on net emissions.

Thanks, but what is it supposed to show? Looks like West outsourced their production to the East and this data just shows that?

Re: Why you can’t grow cool-climate plants in hot climates

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there are many problems with this attitude but even bicycles require industrial processes and trade to maintain. Mainly the tires but if anything breaks the metallurgy for the spokes wouldn't be available

Sure there are also many problems with saying only tech can fix all our issues. Tech is the reason we have all these issues in the first place. People survived just fine in teepees. Some might even say they lived a better life before the tech (guns) and non-native disease enabled by tech (travel) wiped them out. Swap the bike for a horse then. All you need for that is wild food and people who care about animals.

Noble savage much?

They had war, rapes, atrocities, tragedies, plagues, shittiness, famines, etc. too you know.

At least from what we’ve been able to gather after they mostly got wiped out.

It is no picnic living in a preindustrial society.

Re: Why you can’t grow cool-climate plants in hot climates

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This isn’t true. You can grow - it’s just the seasons are different or offset. In the warmer climates you actually have a longer growing season than say New England. Your local extension office can explain. For example, here is the UFIFAS which is very good https://sfyl.ifas.ufl.edu/media/sfylifasufledu/orange/hort-r...

I think you're overstating his point.

While you can grow them in, lets say, Houston, they're not easy to grow. They get infections at the drop of a hat, and if you so much as turn around, some sort of insect will munch through them. They don't yield much fruit, and the fruits they do yield generally leave something to be desired in the flavor department.

This is his point. The plants don't have much energy to fend off infections or predators, and they don't have much less energy to put into their fruit.

If you put a tomato plant in a more suitable climate, the things are nearly weeds. You put them in a bucket, make sure they get enough water, and you a few months later you have sweet, juicy, flavorful fruit with basically zero effort.

While we've bred cultivars that can be grown in places like Houston or Florida, the plants don't particularly like it.

Re: Why you can’t grow cool-climate plants in hot climates

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Sure there are also many problems with saying only tech can fix all our issues. Tech is the reason we have all these issues in the first place. People survived just fine in teepees. Some might even say they lived a better life before the tech (guns) and non-native disease enabled by tech (travel) wiped them out. Swap the bike for a horse then. All you need for that is wild food and people who care about animals.

Noble savage much? They had war, rapes, atrocities, tragedies, plagues, shittiness, famines, etc. too you know. At least from what we’ve been able to gather after they mostly got wiped out. It is no picnic living in a preindustrial society.

It’s no picnic right now either. Massive inequality while the world prepares to wipe us all away.

I’m aware of the stats about xyz improving over time. But if we let the earth fall apart, as is the trend, it’s all for naught.

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