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AI vs. Professional Authors Results
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#92Perhaps what this is pointing out is that a lot of writers of the genre of "fantasy" produce mostly formulaic, trope-laden piles of crap that AI is pretty good at mimicking? This is neither new nor news. "The Well-Tempered Plot Device" is almost 4 decades old (see: https://news.ansible.uk/plotdev.html ). It does suggest that publishers might want to screen new writing with a quick "Did AI write this?" and only publis…
> Our relationship / is beautiful / because / it is ours / because / it relates / to us.
Indistinguishable from Rupi Kaur. There is nothing new under the sun.
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#93There is an Asimov story called "Someday" in which a toy computer called a Bard generates random fairy tales and reads them to children. In the story two children try to hack their Bard, to make it tell more interesting modern stories, by feeding it a new vocabulary of modern words. In the end, it just generates the same old fairy tale plots using the new words it has learned. I really feel like that story embodies t…
Not a universal solution, but a working method to get at least sometimes interesting results. You should use it as a co-authoring tool by following these hints: treat this as a dialogue ("let’s create interactively, you and me…", "create a first sentence of a fictional story", ...), where you act like a semaphore for the continuation—judging the current output and either correcting it or suggesting the next step (which can be brief and expanded later by the LLM). Finally, try to suggest unexpected constraints. This can be effective because when your constraint contains a set of words rarely seen together in training data, the output becomes somewhat random but still at least partially grounded in reality.
An example from one of my old conversations with Llama 3.1:
> User: Create a sentence from a fictional book containing the words crazy, cowboy, and gadget.
> Llama: In the wild west town of Crazy Horse, a notorious cowboy named Buckshot Bob unveiled his latest gadget — a mechanical horse that could gallop at breakneck speed.
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#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
>I see a lot of people use GPT the same way. Some people do, but not everyone, because LLMs are capable of being more than that. The problem with the fictional setting is that this transactional use is often all you see, because that's the way the author has chosen to frame the story. In real life, even a person who primarily uses an LLM as a tool may conclude it's intelligent after a particular conversation. Because…
I still think you're cherry-picking and ignoring any of the depth here. You're being so quick to find an answer you are missing all complexity. Your argument is that people are only subjected to what the author says, leading them to have no ability to think or form conclusions themselves. Star Trek was given as the most familiar example (one which people would likely debate these aspects) but there is far more comple…
>You're being so quick to find an answer you are missing all complexity. Your argument is that people are only subjected to what the author says, leading them to have no ability to think or form conclusions themselves.
I'm not sure why you keep straw manning my argument.
I have explained several times that my point isn't that audiences lack the ability to think or that fiction has no depth or complexity.
Works like The Positronic Man or A.I., are specifically designed to make us question the nature of consciousness and intelligence. And they're perfect illustrations of my actual point. The reason we grapple with the question of sentience in The Positronic Man is precisely because the author, Asimov, explicitly made it the central theme. He provided the "data" for us to consider that question.
My argument has never been that audiences can't think for themselves or that fiction lacks complexity. It's about the nature of the evidence available to us.
With a fictional AI like the Enterprise computer, our entire understanding is filtered through the lens of the writers. We can only interpret the scenes they choose to show us. If they never write a scene where the computer questions its existence or similar hints, then for all intents and purposes, that potential doesn't exist within the story. Our interpretation is bound by the provided text.
This is a fundamentally different epistemic situation from interacting with a real-world LLM. With ChatGPT or Gemini, I can personally test its limits, ask it unexpected questions, and form a conclusion based on my own direct, unmediated experience. I can probe for depth; in fiction, I can only observe the depth the author has written.
So when I point out that most people in the Star Wars universe treat droids like appliances even when they feel so alive, it's not to say a deeper interpretation is impossible. It's to highlight how powerfully the author's framing shapes our default perception. The story isn't about droid rights, so the narrative encourages us not to focus on it. That's the power, and the limitation, of the authorial lens.
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#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
The only one I was fairly sure was human was #6, and that was the only one I kinda enjoyed. In any case, as someone who reads a good deal, I agree. I didn't think any of the stories was particularly great (not enough to bother ranking them, beyond favourite) so I don't care all that much about the result. > AI can do much better than what is posted above for flash if given more sophisticated prompting. How sophistica…
In another reply I gave an example of something you can do: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44937774 I enjoy writing so a system like this would never replace that for me. But for someone who doesn't enjoy writing (or maybe can't generate work that meets their bar in the Ira Glass sense of taste) I think this kind of setup works okay for generating flash even with today's models.
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#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
Celtic? The name "Gemini" is much, much, much better known from Greek myth, if it occurs in Celtic culture at all...
Here, I'll rephrase thenoblesunfish for clarity, because you seem to have misread > Is this why the Google product (now just called Gemini) was called [Bard]? "That" == "Bard". They weren't referring to Gemini, which is why there's that whole thing in parentheses stating it's * now* called Gemini From Wiki | The technology was developed under the codename "Atlas", with the name "Bard" in reference to the Celtic term…
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#97Example of a long book I put together in about 20 minutes: docs.google[dot]com/document/d/1mA-q1ugWRa6BaOghUTH17kYdjHpaNPIWgoNKg6OvOko/edit?usp=sharing Yes, there are rough edges, but the character arcs and the lore stay coherent from start to finish.
Disclosure: I am building an iOS app that lets anyone spin up a book with any cast and starting situation, in a voice close to a favorite author, and then steer the story while reading. On-demand long-form content is already here. It is just not packaged very conveniently yet.
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#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's probably true, but as the author points out, it's still interesting to see where the boundary is at the moment. It's a lot further along than people typically argue imo.
I don’t really find it that surprising - if you write generic low-quality stories, it’s difficult to differentiate your work from an AI writing generic low-quality stories. People have been selling slop stories on Amazon for a long time before AI tools, so describing them as professional authors is not exactly damning here.
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#99We're at a key milestone in the IP wars; IP was inducted into our civilization to protect the few who had the ability to create. This idea is well past it's due date. We should move to a liberal IP regime, with copyright strictly reduced to 7-10 years, with all works then entering public domain. Our society will universally thrive with the abundance that will come. I understand and empathize that a class of vocations…
There are hundreds of years of art already in the public domain and society is not “universally thriving?” Why would adding a couple more recent years change that? Seems very utopian magic thinking to me.
You can't live modern life with knowledge as of 1900.
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#100We're at a key milestone in the IP wars; IP was inducted into our civilization to protect the few who had the ability to create. This idea is well past it's due date. We should move to a liberal IP regime, with copyright strictly reduced to 7-10 years, with all works then entering public domain. Our society will universally thrive with the abundance that will come. I understand and empathize that a class of vocations…
I'm not sure people left without a job will endure, at least if they're unfortunate enough to live somewhere without social security. The key question is whether AI will somehow create enough new jobs for those let go (I doubt that), or just cause a massive unemployment.