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Re: What kids told us about how to get them off their phones

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Post by mtalantikite »

agent327 wrote: post #88
mtalantikite wrote: post #75

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I hate to break it to you, but the violent murderers have always been here and they're probably not the people you're thinking of... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_genocide_in_th... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treatment_of_slaves_in_the_Uni... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porvenir_massacre_(1918) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_…

That list is totally not cherry picked to serve a very specific agenda (/s). Actual safety for regular citizens is affected by events that are occurring today (instead of decades ago), as the result of actions by individuals (rather than state-sanctioned violence). As such, the grandparent is 100% correct: letting violent people into your country will raise the overal level of violence that people encounter.

Violent crime by all measures are at generational lows. It's just the truth.

I was being hyperbolic because OP was being ridiculous too. To say "your country opened the doors to rapists and violent murderers" is a very specific right wing scare mongering talking point that is easily debunked by any semi-serious human that can read an x,y plot of the data.

Also, events that are occurring today indeed are interdependent with events of the past [1] -- the crimes of genocide and slavery affect all humans that descend from it [2], and those humans interact with all of us in the here and now. And we are all of course affected by events that are occurring today. Both are true.

It's not that hard to see when you open your mind and look a little deeply. Or in the words of a great sage, "free your mind and your ass will follow". [3]

[1] https://www.lionsroar.com/buddhism/interdependence/

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgenerational_trauma

[3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zZfbkUkodY

Re: What kids told us about how to get them off their phones

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Post by agent327 »

mtalantikite wrote: post #91
agent327 wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That list is totally not cherry picked to serve a very specific agenda (/s). Actual safety for regular citizens is affected by events that are occurring today (instead of decades ago), as the result of actions by individuals (rather than state-sanctioned violence). As such, the grandparent is 100% correct: letting violent people into your country will raise the overal level of violence that people encounter.

Violent crime by all measures are at generational lows. It's just the truth. I was being hyperbolic because OP was being ridiculous too. To say "your country opened the doors to rapists and violent murderers" is a very specific right wing scare mongering talking point that is easily debunked by any semi-serious human that can read an x,y plot of the data. Also, events that are occurring today indeed are interdependen…

Are there any human tribes around that haven't at one point or another experienced a negative event at the hands of others?

What should we all be given, and more importantly by whom, just to make up for the endless parade of historic injustices? Does dwelling on them for all eternity make for a good future?

Re: What kids told us about how to get them off their phones

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Post by hydrogen7800 »

agent327 wrote: post #88
mtalantikite wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hate to break it to you, but the violent murderers have always been here and they're probably not the people you're thinking of... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_genocide_in_th... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treatment_of_slaves_in_the_Uni... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porvenir_massacre_(1918) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_…

That list is totally not cherry picked to serve a very specific agenda (/s). Actual safety for regular citizens is affected by events that are occurring today (instead of decades ago), as the result of actions by individuals (rather than state-sanctioned violence). As such, the grandparent is 100% correct: letting violent people into your country will raise the overal level of violence that people encounter.

>That list is totally not cherry picked to serve a very specific agenda (/s)

Well yes, it is. It is intended to provide an evidence-based counter to your fabricated claim.

Re: What kids told us about how to get them off their phones

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Post by insane_dreamer »

mtalantikite wrote: post #23

> ...we asked parents what they thought would happen if two 10-year-olds played in a local park without adults around. Sixty percent thought the children would likely get injured. Half thought they would likely get abducted. During summer vacation when I was 10 (early 90s) I'd leave the house in the morning and head down to the local park to play basketball or roam the neighborhood with the other kids. We'd ride our…

In the 80’s I’d take the train to another (nearby) city to hang out with my friends, no cell phones, or many for pay phones for that matter, this was at age 11-12. No issue, my parents weren’t worried. I did have an accident once on my bike while in another city and someone picked me up off the street, took me to the hospital and called my parents. Was no big deal.

Re: What kids told us about how to get them off their phones

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Post by dr_dshiv »

jgwil2 wrote: post #69
dr_dshiv wrote: post #20

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My son recently had to get rabies shots. Well, that was the recommendation because there was a bat in the sleeping quarters of his camp. The probability that the bat had rabies is vanishingly small. Just like the probability that the bat bit him with no marks. But, you read about rabies (no cure, horrible death), and even if it is a 1-10 million chance and you can do something about it — well, he got the shot (over m…

> The probability that the bat had rabies is vanishingly small. Not really, it's something like 5%. Usually if the bat can be captured and tested for rabies you can wait to get the vaccine, but if the bat couldn't be caught, it makes sense to vaccinate just in case. I don't understand why you would want to take a chance on rabies. What are the side effects of the vaccine that are so harmful?

Post exposure vaccine is costly: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/7/16851134/ra...

Re: What kids told us about how to get them off their phones

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Post by insane_dreamer »

83457 wrote: post #65
gambiting wrote: post #26

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At 7 years old my parents would leave for work before I had to go to school, so I had to eat breakfast, dress myself and go to school, locking the door behind me - the walk was across few busy streets which I was told how to cross. Then I would come back before they were home so likewise, I had to let myself in and just wait for them to come back. I think nowadays if I did that with my son I would have child services…

I can't tell if you are advocating for that to still be common. Regardless, I just want to point out the survivor bias in anyone saying this should still be done based on stories like this one. The children in similar circumstances who were killed aren't here to talk about it. (Not trying to be rude)

Has there been a large drop in child mortality rates or kidnapping rates since we switched to paranoia mode?

I also don’t think this is survivor bias; it’s just the way things generally were back then.

Re: What kids told us about how to get them off their phones

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Post by insane_dreamer »

83457 wrote: post #86
jeffbee wrote: post #78

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Do you think there was widespread death of latchkey kids in the 80s? Get a grip.

Don't pretend there weren't problems.

Of course there were. But has the number of problems greatly reduced?

Re: What kids told us about how to get them off their phones

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Post by mtalantikite »

agent327 wrote: post #92
mtalantikite wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Violent crime by all measures are at generational lows. It's just the truth. I was being hyperbolic because OP was being ridiculous too. To say "your country opened the doors to rapists and violent murderers" is a very specific right wing scare mongering talking point that is easily debunked by any semi-serious human that can read an x,y plot of the data. Also, events that are occurring today indeed are interdependen…

Are there any human tribes around that haven't at one point or another experienced a negative event at the hands of others? What should we all be given, and more importantly by whom, just to make up for the endless parade of historic injustices? Does dwelling on them for all eternity make for a good future?

Acknowledging is not the same as dwelling. We must acknowledge because it is reality and it is our duty to look reality in it's face. And because it is a reality that others in this present day experience the effects of, it affects all of us.

By acknowledging and understanding the suffering of others, we touch the suffering within ourselves, and vice versa. As my meditation teacher [1] often says in closing, "just as the right hand helps the left without thinking "I'm helping other", when we sincerely take care of others, we take care of ourselves. When we sincerely take care of ourselves, we take care of others".

[1] https://www.youtube.com/@ThuptenPhuntsok

Re: What kids told us about how to get them off their phones

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Post by Ferret7446 »

mtalantikite wrote: post #73
s_dev wrote: post #41

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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/north-carolina-child-kil... https://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/31/living/florida-mom-arrest... The US is seeming more bonkers day after day. These sorts of stories just don't make sense to me. We have issues in Ireland with children and teenagers going around engaging in anti-social behaviour but there is a balance to be found between these two extremes.

It's unfortunately very American. Build the entire environment for cars, with very little if any thought for pedestrians, and then put the parents in prison for letting their kids walk a few blocks home, while the driver of the enormous SUV that kills a child has no charges brought against them. We've entirely lost the plot here.

> the driver of the enormous SUV that kills a child has no charges brought against them

I feel this is exaggerated to the point of being outright misinformation. Drivers are by default liable even in cases like jaywalking.

Re: What kids told us about how to get them off their phones

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Post by lm28469 »

cameldrv wrote: post #80
lm28469 wrote: post #51

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Literally nothing ? because statistically speaking they virtually all survived. And of the ones that did not survive the extreme vast majority didn't die because they were "playing outside"

I completely agree. That said when I was a kid there was always a kid in class with a cast or a sling for their collar bone, and these days you hardly ever see it.

Sure, now half of the class is obese by the time they're 13, I guess it makes it harder for kidnappers too so at least there is some logic
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