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Perplexity offers to buy Google Chrome for $34.5B

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Re: Perplexity offers to buy Google Chrome for $34.5B

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Perplexity buying chrome would be a disaster, it just feels that way. Every vibe I got from that company is not good. They would commercialize every aspect of the browser so fast, as in insert ads everywhere. Again I just get that vibe.

It’s not just vibes. It’s cold hard cash. If you pay billions for something, you have to make that money back somehow.

Re: Perplexity offers to buy Google Chrome for $34.5B

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> What's wrong with Firefox Speed and bugs. My Firefox crashes on some sites, like 9gag. And it's very slow to load websites. The latest version of Chrome loads websites instantly! Firefox takes a few seconds!

I use chrome on my work machine and Firefox on my personal machine. Haven’t ran into breaking bugs with FF (that I can remember), and I don’t notice a meaningful performance difference. Have been using FF for probably 10-15 years now.

No bugs to report here, and I use it all the time, and heavily.

No undue burden on the system either, unlike Chrome which gets sluggish and will crash before ff.

I see no reason to abandon ff at this point.

Re: Perplexity offers to buy Google Chrome for $34.5B

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The courts have, for the first time in decades, done their job. It seems ridiculous now but it should've been done ten years ago. The impact is in removing Google's control of the customer base, not in a copy of the code.

And the customer base is still is going to voluntarily choose to go to Google search and YouTube like they always have. That’s where the money is. Windows still has the majority of the desk to market share and Google search is not the default. Yet people still choose to use Google. As far as Chrome itself, every single desktop OS user except for those forced to use ChromeOS went out of their way to willingly download…

This is an extremely naive take. Sundar Pichai's claim to fame was getting the Google Toolbar and Chrome pushed into the Adobe Reader installer back in the day. So many OEMs were shoving Chrome and Google into their default loads that Microsoft had to make a "Bing Edition" of Windows for a bit with a lower price to include Bing and Edge as default, and have now outright blocked the practice I believe.

When you visit Google Search or Gmail on your default browser, you get at least one but sometimes as many as three separate popups telling you to install Chrome for "faster" ability to search/email.

Today many product vendors incorrectly claim that their website or service will only work on Chrome, and refuse to provide support unless you switch to it.

Oh, and my personal favorite: If you aren't the admin of a PC, Chrome malware-installs in the user profile folder so you can circumvent your IT department!

Google's power to force Chrome on people is insane, and as the government has now determined, illegally anticompetitive.

Re: Perplexity offers to buy Google Chrome for $34.5B

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You may be unaware that Google has lost an antitrust suit and that the DOJ has asked the courts to require Google sell Chrome. Whether or not Google can bribe their way out of it is yet to be seen, but they may not have a choice, so it's a pretty big one time opportunity.

Also likely a political PR stunt.

This is a completely bipartisan aligned issue. Trump's administration has basically said that Biden's antitrust enforcement is the one thing they did right (in their opinion). These investigations started under Trump 1, continued under Biden, and will likely be successfully enforced under Trump 2.

There's a lot of reason big corps were trying to get Harris to agree to fire Lina Khan in exchange for support: The only way they get out of this is a bribe. And we've already seen Trump is both happy to take the bribe... and still punish you anyways.

Re: Perplexity offers to buy Google Chrome for $34.5B

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> What's wrong with Firefox Speed and bugs. My Firefox crashes on some sites, like 9gag. And it's very slow to load websites. The latest version of Chrome loads websites instantly! Firefox takes a few seconds!

I use chrome on my work machine and Firefox on my personal machine. Haven’t ran into breaking bugs with FF (that I can remember), and I don’t notice a meaningful performance difference. Have been using FF for probably 10-15 years now.

Do you have FF's higher levels of privacy protection enabled? With fingerprinting protection enabled, image uploading breaks. oAuth doesn't seem to work properly on some sites. Enabling encrypted DNS breaks captive portals or private VPNs.

its really easy to configure FF to break the internet.

Re: Perplexity offers to buy Google Chrome for $34.5B

#97

I dislike tech monopolies but Chrome leaving Google would be most terrible thing ever, security wise. Google has become the benevolent dictator of the web, if you like it or not. We get secure browsers, performance improvements, stable implementations at the cost of one bad feature being shipped a year (like Manifest V3). Mozilla/FOSS community has fucked up Firefox, big time, which is not even their fault as they ca…

Everyone in my house uses NYXT, the keyboard-driven, renderer-agnostic browser written in LISP.

Re: Perplexity offers to buy Google Chrome for $34.5B

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And the customer base is still is going to voluntarily choose to go to Google search and YouTube like they always have. That’s where the money is. Windows still has the majority of the desk to market share and Google search is not the default. Yet people still choose to use Google. As far as Chrome itself, every single desktop OS user except for those forced to use ChromeOS went out of their way to willingly download…

And how, pray tell, where all of these people made aware of Chrome? Google made the first ad for its front page for Chrome. This is not in itself a problem, but Google has a monopoly in search and ads. They cannot be allowed to also have a monopoly in browsers. That’s the whole point of American monopoly laws. Once you have a monopoly, you can’t do everything you want. There are limits. Owning a browser is too much p…

So let’s say that Google doesn’t own Chrome. Does that affect where Google actually makes its money? In 2025 when most people first by a Windows computer, do they use Bing or go to Google?

Google does not have a monopoly on ads. Billions are spent on ads on Facebook properties, Amazon, Apple (app store), TikTok. People choose to use Google for search and can go to any other search engine if they choose.

In 2025, Google search is so bad more and more people are using LLM based search tools.

Re: Perplexity offers to buy Google Chrome for $34.5B

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And the customer base is still is going to voluntarily choose to go to Google search and YouTube like they always have. That’s where the money is. Windows still has the majority of the desk to market share and Google search is not the default. Yet people still choose to use Google. As far as Chrome itself, every single desktop OS user except for those forced to use ChromeOS went out of their way to willingly download…

This is an extremely naive take. Sundar Pichai's claim to fame was getting the Google Toolbar and Chrome pushed into the Adobe Reader installer back in the day. So many OEMs were shoving Chrome and Google into their default loads that Microsoft had to make a "Bing Edition" of Windows for a bit with a lower price to include Bing and Edge as default, and have now outright blocked the practice I believe. When you visit…

This is 2025. People who buy Windows get a Chromium based browser where Google Search is not the default yet they go to Google.

I have a Mac, don’t use Chrome or a Chromium based browser and haven’t had an issue.

And you are forced to install Chrome on Windows? Besides wouldn’t you want your applications to install without requiring admin access?

Re: Perplexity offers to buy Google Chrome for $34.5B

#100
post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use chrome on my work machine and Firefox on my personal machine. Haven’t ran into breaking bugs with FF (that I can remember), and I don’t notice a meaningful performance difference. Have been using FF for probably 10-15 years now.

Do you have FF's higher levels of privacy protection enabled? With fingerprinting protection enabled, image uploading breaks. oAuth doesn't seem to work properly on some sites. Enabling encrypted DNS breaks captive portals or private VPNs. its really easy to configure FF to break the internet.

Ah, I can't recall the last time I uploaded an image to the web, so I guess I wouldn't run into this. Interesting if reproducible.
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