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Re: US to rewrite its past national climate reports

#91

I largely ignore this and just look around the world at the remarkable, sudden success of green energy and electric vehicles. We may solve the root of the problem while Republicans still call it a hoax. (It’s mostly a sad statement now about US ceding a huge growth area for its industrial base here.)

I'm not in America anymore. But my general feeling jn America would be a sense of dread at being left behind.

Re: US to rewrite its past national climate reports

#92
post #72

This is weird, it will cement climate change skepticism as crazy fascist thing unless it's followed by high-quality convincing body of work that discredit the current climate change work done globally. I wonder if that part will follow because it is possible to follow to some extent as it is very likely that there are plenty of low quality works done on the matter. They need to be right about fraud in climate change…

I actually suspect once China moves to full electrification, they will become more demanding to other countries about climate goals. Geographically, they're in a tight spot so they have a big stake in mitigating climate change.

EU is also somewhat pushing with more aggressive carbon pricing.

Re: US to rewrite its past national climate reports

#94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Historical records, especially pre-record keeping are revised when new techniques and sciences discover better, more reliable ways of interpreting the physical geological evidence left in the world behind us. What is the basis of these revisions?

Records should never be edited. They can be reinterpreted, but we must never edit or delete the original records.

Right, and we're not:

> Historical records, especially pre-record keeping are revised

Here "historical records" means "the best-known interpretation of historical evidence": it's not talking about modifying records made pre-record keeping. Of course we still have access to previous interpretations: people have gone to pains to ensure they're preserved (despite certain former stewards trying to erase them), and those people are building more resilient systems to avoid this happening again.

Re: US to rewrite its past national climate reports

#95

> undermine the scientific consensus on human-caused global warming. Perhaps they should write "wide", "100%" or "unquestionable" concensus. I feel not using proper adjectives is undermining this consensus!

Consensus is not a scientific thing, it’s a political thing

Re: US to rewrite its past national climate reports

#96
post #72

This is weird, it will cement climate change skepticism as crazy fascist thing unless it's followed by high-quality convincing body of work that discredit the current climate change work done globally. I wonder if that part will follow because it is possible to follow to some extent as it is very likely that there are plenty of low quality works done on the matter. They need to be right about fraud in climate change…

> So they are going to re-write history to fuel some ideology, as the fossils were to be extracted anyway.

There's no ideology, you have it reversed, it's always about money.

The oil industry is a huge donor of funds and spend 8-10x more on lobbying conservative politicians. The ideology is tacked on top of the money to justify the donations, and for their voters to gobble it up and repeat the lines as if rolling coal would be an ode to freedom.

Re: US to rewrite its past national climate reports

#97
post #49

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." Feynman -- In this case, nature will not just not be fooled, it will extract retribution, unfortunately also on those that weren't fooled in the first place.

Let’s not get carried away with hubris. Nature wrote our genes. Nature made us the way we are. All this nonsense you see going on is ultimately a result of cognitive biased thinking, especially confirmation bias. The fact that we differ so deeply from these biases was not our decision, it was thrust upon us by nature and it helped us survive in an environment very different from the one we found ourselves in now.

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Re: US to rewrite its past national climate reports

#98

I largely ignore this and just look around the world at the remarkable, sudden success of green energy and electric vehicles. We may solve the root of the problem while Republicans still call it a hoax. (It’s mostly a sad statement now about US ceding a huge growth area for its industrial base here.)

People will drive Chinese electric cars, while the US pulls up an Iron Curtain, people drive 30 year old diesel trucks and closes the universities down. What's next, a down to the countryside movement, everyone has to do five years of hard farm labor in Iowa?

Re: US to rewrite its past national climate reports

#99
post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, most people believe in climate change. In a fundamentally anti-human move, oligarchs have put a climate denier in office so he would push against doing anything about it, as it goes against their short-term interests.

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Yes, and I hope everything they voted for happens to them personally

Re: US to rewrite its past national climate reports

#100

I largely ignore this and just look around the world at the remarkable, sudden success of green energy and electric vehicles. We may solve the root of the problem while Republicans still call it a hoax. (It’s mostly a sad statement now about US ceding a huge growth area for its industrial base here.)

I'm not in America anymore. But my general feeling jn America would be a sense of dread at being left behind.

Yes except for Silicon Valley and finance, we are giving up any chance of market leadership in these areas. Ironically if we wanted manufacturing jobs we’d focus on growth areas.

Our energy and automobile companies will suffer longer term by being able to hold onto old, not economically viable ways of doing things until the bitter end.

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