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Germany's identity crisis: The trains no longer run on time

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Re: Germany's identity crisis: The trains no longer run on time

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The old data chart shows that they never did run on time, so it was always just a myth. Well, don't build your identity on lies and you won't have a crisis :)

I remember last decade seeing an ad on a Deutsche Bahn "ticket envelope" (remember those things?) promoting their new mobile app, proudly telling everyone "now with delays notification!"...

Re: Germany's identity crisis: The trains no longer run on time

#93
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I wish the author would dive into that even a little bit. It looks like COVID killed the performance. Why? And what about post COVID?

Maybe train personnel out sick?

The odd thing is it never recovered; it's stayed low since 2020.

Re: Germany's identity crisis: The trains no longer run on time

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In the last few weeks I’ve had friends lose/almost lose their flights in Germany because their trains were several hours late.

I don’t understand why someone would take the train instead of his car unless he wanted to take the risk of losing the flight.

For starters, you don't have to worry about getting stuck in traffic, getting in an accident or the car breaking down. You also don't have to worry about parking the car at the airport.

I guess one's viewpoint on the matter depends on the public infrastructure in one's region.

Re: Germany's identity crisis: The trains no longer run on time

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I don't know what others think, but Munich seemed reliable to me. YMMV

The problem in Munich is that everything must go through a single two-track part underneath the city center, which is at absolute capacity. If anything breaks down there (and it does, often, very often), even a small delay in a single train, all trains get delayed or skip stops. In my experience, you have to take at least one train early if you do not want to come late regularly. Even e.g. the main airport train line…

Very nice comment, thanks.

One remark only: TGV does not have to use the high speed rails only. It will just have to go slower on the other rails.

Re: Germany's identity crisis: The trains no longer run on time

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Wouldn't you need the delay even if everyone drove perfectly? Isn't the point of it to give time for cars that have already entered the intersection to exit it, since the light turning red just means you're no longer allowed to enter?

Generally, cross drivers pay attention to other cars in the intersection and don't just drive into them.

And cars already in the intersection have a momentum, you’d need quite a powerful car to hit them (and you would have to do it on purpose)

Re: Germany's identity crisis: The trains no longer run on time

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The old data chart shows that they never did run on time, so it was always just a myth. Well, don't build your identity on lies and you won't have a crisis :)

The diagram is confusing because DB has started “massaging” the data. As an example, if a train which travels back and forth between two cities has a certain amount of delay, it will just turn around and not serve the remaining stations on the line. And that’s as many stations not counted as delays. This trick is named the “pofalla turnaround”, after the DB infrastructure boss Ronald Pofalla who introduced it in 2018.

And I think that’s just one trick, meaning the downfall starts earlier and is more significant I suspect.

Re: Germany's identity crisis: The trains no longer run on time

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No it's from August 5th. It includes some nice graphs, apparently the punctuality really plummeted around 2020.

I wish the author would dive into that even a little bit. It looks like COVID killed the performance. Why? And what about post COVID?

The data is misleading at best, probably manipulated. Let’s not forget the data is from DB itself.

As an example, in 2018, the then boss of infra at DB, Ronald Pofalla introduced the “Pofalla Wende”, whereby a commuting train between two cities will simply turn around and not serve the rest of the line if it has a certain delay. In itself, one could argue it can make sense under certain circumstances. But all remaining stations on the line are not counted as delays, even if there is not replacement train.

Same with cancellations, these don’t show up as delays.

The situation is significantly more dire than what this data shows.

Re: Germany's identity crisis: The trains no longer run on time

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I moved to Germany 10 years ago and while regional and suburban train service has been great, the long distance service has been terrible, with high prices, almost no high speed service and no competition. I'm Italian and therefore I had very low expectations, but at least high speed trains in Italy run better than Germany (at least until recently, when lack of regular maintenance work ultimately made its dent into t…

As a German, I always loved the long distance trains I. Italy. I remember a trip in 2008 crossing From south to North Italy which cost a fraction of what it would have in Germany. It had A/C and it was on time. So comfy. Meanwhile in Germany, they charged a shitton of money and it had no A/C. Still last year I found it much better than in Germany, overall. The only thing that PISSES me off is that the stupid Trenital…

>The only thing that PISSES me off is that the stupid Trenitalia does not show me which platform the train is departing/arriving from. It blows my mind that this CRUCIAL information is not shown anywhere and you literally have to be standing in the station to hopefully find it.

The Trenitalia app shows arrival and departure platform and time info per station, as well as for trips you are currently taking.

There is also this gem of a website, no TLS and with 2007 iPhone 1.0 design language, but it works:

http://www.viaggiatreno.it/infomobilitamobile/pages/cercaTre...

Re: Germany's identity crisis: The trains no longer run on time

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I don't know what others think, but Munich seemed reliable to me. YMMV

The problem in Munich is that everything must go through a single two-track part underneath the city center, which is at absolute capacity. If anything breaks down there (and it does, often, very often), even a small delay in a single train, all trains get delayed or skip stops. In my experience, you have to take at least one train early if you do not want to come late regularly. Even e.g. the main airport train line…

You should qualify the "often" for people not living in Munich, as some may interpret it to mean "several times per day" or "several times per month".

I agree that, in cases where being on time is essential (like catching a flight), allowing for a train malfunction so that you can reach your destination with the next one is a good strategy.

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