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Re: Stargate Norway

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I do not understand why they chose Norway. I would choose a country where it is easy to build up a new power plant quickly with solar and wind, close to the site of the data center. Maybe they just have too much electricity up there that is not needed by the population or existing industry?

A big reason to not do it lower down in europe is also just that it's naturally very cold in northern norway so you already save on energy that would be needed to cool it. Meta has datacenters at around the same latitude but in sweden for the same reason.

You might even be able to sell some of that heat to a local heat network to supply other businesses and homes.

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Isn't Norway a key NATO member and huge buyer of F35 jets and other key US tech? What should Norway do? Buy Chinese and Russian instead?

What happened to Europe?

What's the European alternative to the things OpenAI puts in their datacenters?

What's the European alternative to Nvidia H100s and Quantum InfiniBand, AMD Epycs and Instincs, and Intel Xeons?

In the past you had European companies like ST, Ericsson, Nokia and Siemens who could design cutting edge compute and networking chips of the time, but those days are long gone, with European companies have missed out on the hyperscale race being relucted to making commodity low margin products, so they either have to buy American or Chinese if they want cutting edge.

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Bits of Russia too, if you can smuggle the requests and responses in and out. Remember Russia has huge quantities of free gas which used to be sold to the EU but is right now wasted.

>Remember Russia has huge quantities of free gas which used to be sold to the EU but is right now wasted It isn't "WASTED", what re you on about.

Russia has no east-west gas pipeline. That means gas extracted in the west of Russia, which was previously sold to Europe, is now in excess and has nowhere to go. Currently it is flared off.

News article: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-62652133

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What happened to Europe?

What's the European alternative to the things OpenAI puts in their datacenters? What's the European alternative to Nvidia H100s and Quantum InfiniBand, AMD Epycs and Instincs, and Intel Xeons? In the past you had European companies like ST, Ericsson, Nokia and Siemens who could design cutting edge compute and networking chips of the time, but those days are long gone, with European companies have missed out on the hy…

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the European alternative to the things OpenAI puts in their datacenters? What's the European alternative to Nvidia H100s and Quantum InfiniBand, AMD Epycs and Instincs, and Intel Xeons? In the past you had European companies like ST, Ericsson, Nokia and Siemens who could design cutting edge compute and networking chips of the time, but those days are long gone, with European companies have missed out on the hy…

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What do they have to do with Europe?

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”While in Norway, OpenAI will also engage with government officials to explore opportunities for collaboration, including boosting AI adoption and helping to deliver on Norway’s sovereign AI goals for the benefit of its people.” Aka, Snowden thought us nothing. Norwegians beware of ChatGPT used as a weapon to move oil money from the people to the ”future of business ”.

Worked in Norway for six years in a research lab (50% private | 50% public).

First thing I noticed when I arrived: they are using Google for emails, sharing documents, drives, meetings, research projects, etc. The loss of sovereignty that this represents AND the major risk for leaks/theft is MAD.

It was a research lab entirely focused on tech/CS/computational science So it's not like they don't know stuff about technology.

Years prior to this, I'm in Finland in a tiny lab in Turku/Åbo (the city has two names, one in Finnish the other in Swedish.

I remember there was a dude doing his master's trying to integrate a bunch of devices (phone, desktop, laptop, cloud, etc.) so that basically your AI assistant can automatically handle stuff. This implied A LOT of constant (or almost constant) data collection.

During one of the meeting, I think I'm the one who asked: "But wait, isn't this a massive issue in terms of privacy?" The big boss of the lab, replied: "Oh I know you're from France, and you guyz care a lot about this. But here we simply do not"

Conclusion:

I haven't looked at sociological studies trying to build an historical overview of the Nordic people and their relation to electronic privacy. But my experience goes so much against the idea I had about Nordic "culture" (this word means nothing here: Finnish and Norwegian are VERY different societies, but bear with me).

I really believed that in those countries I'd find some high priority, super secured, home made, safe solutions for handling messaging, data, research -> it is REALLY NOT THE CASE, I haven't seen ANY OF THAT; they're all using USA made cloud-(AI)-tech.

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I do not understand why they chose Norway. I would choose a country where it is easy to build up a new power plant quickly with solar and wind, close to the site of the data center. Maybe they just have too much electricity up there that is not needed by the population or existing industry?

https://euenergy.live

2 €/MWh today

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't Norway a key NATO member and huge buyer of F35 jets and other key US tech? What should Norway do? Buy Chinese and Russian instead?

Europe produces no military jets, tanks, and other equipment?

Europe is not NATO?

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Isn't Norway a key NATO member and huge buyer of F35 jets and other key US tech? What should Norway do? Buy Chinese and Russian instead?

Seems like the EU has decided to pull away from the US. As has Canada and frankly, a lot of the rest of the world.

Pulling away by investing billions in the US economy and buying more US products and services?

You have a weird definition of pulling away.

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