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‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by carefulfungi »

wonderwonder wrote: post #81
carefulfungi wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This shooting occurred in the West Bank, which is not controlled by Hamas. What's your redline? Is there any action that Israel can take that you won't justify?

The post I replied to was referencing genocide in Gaza. [Its been flagged, I can't post the text] If a terrorist group raped and murdered your wife and took your children is there a line in the sand that you would not want your government to cross to get them back? Would you be willing for your government to kill 2 innocents to get back your 3 kids? What about 10 innocents? What about 100? 1000? Is there a number whe…

Collective punishment and mass starvation of children violates my morality and is not an action I want my government to take in any circumstance.

I also speculate that it will be ineffective at preventing future violence.

Feelings like yours work in both directions - the residents of Gaza, by your point of view, are equally justified to kill more Israelis to avenge the violence being done to them today.

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by tiahura »

alkyon wrote: post #87

In ideal world international peacekeeping forces would be deployed in Gaza. The peace and two state solution could only be enforced by imposing severe sanctions on Israel including possibility of aerial NATO strikes like in the former Yugoslavia.

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Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by rmah »

alkyon wrote: post #87

In ideal world international peacekeeping forces would be deployed in Gaza. The peace and two state solution could only be enforced by imposing severe sanctions on Israel including possibility of aerial NATO strikes like in the former Yugoslavia.

Isreal proposed international peacekeeping forces in Gaza, but Hamas has rejected it. If I may quote Izzat al-Rishq, a member of the Hamas political bureau, "We stress our people's rejection of the presence of any non-Palestinian actors on our land." [https://www.anews.com.tr/world/2024/04/02/hamas-says-no-to-i...]. They only accept aid organizations.

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by thoroughburro »

pif wrote: post #78
wafflemaker wrote: post #19

Last night I went to bed late and my wife had trouble sleeping. She said that she is afraid of the world where a state can decide that they will plannedly un-live whole other nation and nobody is willing to do anything about that. We're both from the country where most of the planned un-living of the First Holocaust were performed. We recently discussed how in a street poll, half of Polish population couldn't solve a…

> She said that she is afraid of the world where a state can decide [...] and nobody is willing to do anything about that. You may explain her that this is a different face of the same world where a state has been targeted by hatred and terrorism for 80 years, and everybody insisted on them being patient and just live with it. What's happening is sad, but it is not sadder than what preceded it.

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Post by kzrdude »

xdennis wrote: post #40
pelagicAustral wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

WTF is "un-live"? Had to double-check I wasn't on YouTube.

Content creators use that language to avoid being de-monetized. Note, no platform actually censors "kill", "suicide", etc, but they do remove monetization. I have no idea why other people use it. It's not like you can monetize comments. I guess it just shows how much cultural pull "new media" have.

It's dystopic to say the least to see it escaping the social media bubbles and land here where it serves no purpose

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by nashashmi »

cess11 wrote: post #8
ml-anon wrote: post #2

This has been happening regularly over the course of decades on the West Bank but no-one is willing to call it "Terrorism" and therefore respond appropriately.

The perpetrator, Yinon Levy, has sanctions put on him by a few countries. The current regime in the White House lifted the US sanction a while ago. Arguably it's worse than what is usually meant by terrorism, i.e. civilians or paramilitaries attacking a state by actions against civilians, since it's a state exterminating stateless civilians.

They lifted the sanctions on him and put sanctions on Francesca Albanese.

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by echelon_musk »

tedivm wrote: post #56
ml-anon wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess if they are viewed as an occupying force, it’s much less unprecedented. In fact it’s exactly how you’d expect an occupation to act.

This isn't an occupation, it's an ethnic cleansing.

Deuteronomy 9:4

> After the Lord your God has driven them out before you, do not say to yourself, “The Lord has brought me here to take possession of this land because of my righteousness.” No, it is on account of the wickedness of these nations that the Lord is going to drive them out before you.

I think there is a common belief that Israel was "given" the land beyond the Jordan because they were God's chosen people based on their merits.

Deuteronomy seems to imply Israel were just the least bad people.

Israel seems wicked to me now.

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by wonderwonder »

carefulfungi wrote: post #91
wonderwonder wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The post I replied to was referencing genocide in Gaza. [Its been flagged, I can't post the text] If a terrorist group raped and murdered your wife and took your children is there a line in the sand that you would not want your government to cross to get them back? Would you be willing for your government to kill 2 innocents to get back your 3 kids? What about 10 innocents? What about 100? 1000? Is there a number whe…

Collective punishment and mass starvation of children violates my morality and is not an action I want my government to take in any circumstance. I also speculate that it will be ineffective at preventing future violence. Feelings like yours work in both directions - the residents of Gaza, by your point of view, are equally justified to kill more Israelis to avenge the violence being done to them today.

So to be clear because I want you to say it: There is a line at which you would tell the government to stop and let your children die and allow the rape and murder of your wife to go unpunished.

Or is it safe to assume you are unmarried and have no children?

If you do have kids then every time you look them in the eye you should acknowledge that you would let them die due to your morality.

Which if true, that's fine. We are just looking at life and family from 2 completely alien perspectives. There is literally nothing I would not do to get my kids back.

"the residents of Gaza, by your point of view, are equally justified to kill more Israelis to avenge the violence being done to them today"

Sure, and then the Israeli government should punish them to an even greater extent. Or the people of Gaza should rage against the group that unleashed this punishment on them, Hamas. the same group they voted on to lead them.

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