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Union Pacific to buy Norfolk in $85B mega U.S. railroad deal

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Re: Union Pacific to buy Norfolk in $85B mega U.S. railroad deal

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Both workforces are union and I doubt employees will see much benefit from this. I would expect to see the unions block this unless they get major concessions.

>I would expect to see the unions block this unless they get major concessions. I can understand mergers being blocked by regulators, but what powers do unions have? What was the last time a merger was blocked by an union?

Possible never..

Re: Union Pacific to buy Norfolk in $85B mega U.S. railroad deal

#92
post #77

Nationalize the rails. Let companies compete on their rolling stock.

There are some good theoretical arguments for such a structure, but OTOH experience trying to apply it on railroads hasn't been exactly positive. UK probably being the prominent example.

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#93
post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>More importantly, no reasonable person would skip the $85 Billion (with B) price tag which is a definite proof of my words above. Why is $85B automatically bad? Is it just because it's a large sum of money?

> Why is $85B automatically bad? I didn't say automatically, I referred to "my words above" - that kind of money, and the profits on top of it, can only come from monopoly pricing and it's a strong sign that the business in question is operating in near monopoly conditions. In most of the world, railroads (and other roads) are government owned because it's hard to make that kind of business competitive plus there are…

> In most of the world, railroads (and other roads) are government owned because it's hard to make that kind of business competitive plus there are natsec issues to address. The privatization trend is recent.

In many parts of the world, railroads were originally private enterprises. The US is perhaps exceptional here in that they never nationalized theirs.

Re: Union Pacific to buy Norfolk in $85B mega U.S. railroad deal

#94
post #88

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> "People who disagree with me about a railway company merger cannot possibly be reasonable, So according to you, I somehow stated that disagreement with me makes somebody unreasonable, and in support of that you provided... a fictional quote. Your strawman isn't simply unreasonable, it's aggressively dishonest. > "and instead must be mustache-twirling villains" is certainly an interesting take. Now you offer halluci…

> > There are reasonable people who think this merge would be good > No there aren't You did state that disagreement makes you unreasonable.

> You did state that disagreement makes you unreasonable.

No, I didn't, and there's no such claim in the words you so selectively quoted. Outside of that, I used the specific facts of the case to show that it's unreasonable to call the merge good.

Re: Union Pacific to buy Norfolk in $85B mega U.S. railroad deal

#95
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What happened to antitrust is you guys had an antitrust system that was going way too far (think breaking up regional gas stations too far) and then nixon appointed Rehnquist to the supreme court in 1972, then Reagan appointed him chief justice in 1986. Rehnquist made decent arguments for reforming that that were then taken too far over his tenure (and continuing to this day) and now we have multinational oligopolies…

I meant more recently. Lina Khan was making progress and even Tr*mp seemed to be taking a harder line on the tech companies in particular.

My personal take is you are mistaking progress with a shake down in progress. Lina is operating within the highly restrictive framework the supreme court put in place on Rhenquist and under that it is extremely difficult to break up anyone. it is, however, possible to be enough of a pain for a company that they elect to pay you off in some manner (i.e. campaign contribution, cushy job upon leaving government, outright bribe,etc). Everybody knows an at&t style breakup isn't going to happen when that is what is really needed for most of these oligopolies and they are playing it in a rent seeking manner.

Re: Union Pacific to buy Norfolk in $85B mega U.S. railroad deal

#96
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Could you explain why you think any "startup" "needs an exit"? Why should we accept businesses that cannot persist on their own? This comment caught me off guard with how blatantly VC-sycophantic it is.

> Could you explain why you think any "startup" "needs an exit"? Because it is, and always has been, profit over product (and people).

But how can the product exist if people don’t make enough profit? Why would they take on the risk and stress of building a business instead of just taking another job.

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#97
post #38

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You guys? How many people on HN do you think were around so that they could vote for Nixon in 1968?

Given demographics of HN they probably is British and talking to Americans

British North American sir! Aka Canadian.

Re: Union Pacific to buy Norfolk in $85B mega U.S. railroad deal

#98
post #45
post #38

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You guys? How many people on HN do you think were around so that they could vote for Nixon in 1968?

I think that referred to Americans

It did, but I was so pleasantly surprised they were choosing to be offended due to incorrectly attributing my statement to ageist biases rather than racist biases that I was going to just let it slide. It was so nice to get some variety in the incorrectly offended miasma that is the modern internet....

Re: Union Pacific to buy Norfolk in $85B mega U.S. railroad deal

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post #92
post #77

Nationalize the rails. Let companies compete on their rolling stock.

There are some good theoretical arguments for such a structure, but OTOH experience trying to apply it on railroads hasn't been exactly positive. UK probably being the prominent example.

Obviously it would be impossible in today's political climate, but I believe it would be a solvable problem.

Ensuring full utilization of Positive Train Control could allow a lot more traffic (including a lot more passenger rail, and make it a first class citizen of the rails) -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_train_control

Re: Union Pacific to buy Norfolk in $85B mega U.S. railroad deal

#100
post #49

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What great progress was made under the previous administration?

Lawsuits against Meta, Amazon, Google, Kroger, etc. They were actually starting to enforce antitrust laws. Tr*mp DOJ actually started the Google one.

None of those were split. They're still the same big monopoly/oligopoly companies. So there's nothing happening that could be considered as antitrust.
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