the fact these eurocrats come back over and over, even though its clear the majority is against it, just proves that it doesn't matter what the bulk of the population wants. funny how this works.
The EU could be scanning your chats by October 2025
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#92it seems it is the general Zeitgeist in Europe. Also in Switzerland and generally erosions of Privacy laws all across the continent. The governments are scared of insurgencies from the right, from the left, from immigrants, from foreign nations. Paranoia and fear are quite prominent.
It's always a minority pushing the weakening of encryption, which is why the proposals have never made it very far. What separates Europe from the US is that our political system is way more diverse and involves many more political groups (some of which have extreme opinions). This naturally means more diverse proposals, and lower chance of a given proposal becoming a reality. Especially so when compared to the US where it seems one person with the support of one political party can seemingly implement any crazy policy they think of on a whim.
I think it's probably a good thing to explore a wider range of ideas, even if many of the ideas suck and end up being scrapped.
Re: The EU could be scanning your chats by October 2025
#93it seems it is the general Zeitgeist in Europe. Also in Switzerland and generally erosions of Privacy laws all across the continent. The governments are scared of insurgencies from the right, from the left, from immigrants, from foreign nations. Paranoia and fear are quite prominent.
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What does this have to do with chat scanning?
Theyre not scanning the chats of the ones complaining, nor any multicultural people? It's about child abuse and it has been a thing for like always.
Also, weakening or prohibiting encryption has been discussed before this multicultural thing that you describe happened, and it will continue to. Like, literally since the start of the Internet the governments are fighting encryption hard.
Re: The EU could be scanning your chats by October 2025
#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
It was more misunderstood than stupid. Ironically when Apple introduced their solution it was actually better than what we have now. It was interesting to watch people lose their minds because they didn't understand how the current or proposed system worked. Current system everything can be decrypted on the cloud and is scanned for CSAM by all ISPs/service providers. Apple wanted the device to scan for CSAM and if it…
> Realistically if countries want to read encrypted messages, they can already do so. How? Are you implying adynchronous and synchronous encryption is broken? Because last time I checked since Snowden our encryption is basically the one single thing in the whole concept of the internet that has been done very right, with forward secrecy and long term security in mind. AFAIK there are no signs that someone or somethin…
>How?
A couple of guys with 5$ wrenches can be pretty effective at extracting cryptographic secrets.
Re: The EU could be scanning your chats by October 2025
#95The problem is that citizens cannot start referendums, and MPs cannot propose laws to prohibit these privacy violations. So the commission will bring this up again and again and again, until it eventually passes.
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#96I just don't get it - criminals will just continue to use "real" encryption. Why are some of these people so obsessed with reading everyone's chats?
Because total surveillance increases the power of the state which can then use it to suppress threats to its power, including effective political dissent. It's not new. It happens everytime if you follow history but people have been conditioned to think skepticism, unless is against "trump bad", is absolutely a conspiracy theory.
The important thing also is that this total massive invasion of privacy won't be for all. You don't get gov transparency but the opposite. The asymmetry of information only increases that power to oppress.
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#97"the EU wants to scan your messages" implies its every member state and not one freak from Denmark putting this forward where it will die. The EU has always been 90 days from passing mass surveliance for the last decade. Until member states start actually backing this these articles are nothing but click bait.
The day we stop making noise is the day they will pass this.
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#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
"not one freak from Denmark putting this forward where it will die" Not true. The truth is that Chat Control has returned several times already and the majority of the EU states were actually always for, but a blocking minority has been reached each time - barely so. Worryingly, one of the blocking minority countries used to be Germany, where privacy-minded smaller parties (Greens, FDP) are no longer in government. T…
> Fuck, I don't want to live in a China with a blue flag instead of red. This is absolutely dystopian. I think it's too late. People already showed they'd loudly support this if propagandized enough like during COVID times where the most draconian and anti constitutional of policies were enacted, literally following and lobbied by China. Unless people recognize that they did a terrible thing in supporting covid polic…
This seems to be done in a completely different way. Instead of a loud propaganda push, the proponents seem to want to avoid drawing attention to the proposals. Most of the big media is either completely silent about that, or only mentions those proposals shortly on the bottom of the page. Which indicates that they haven't received any instructions to push it visibly.
And I think this is partially caused by fear of possible backlash.
Re: The EU could be scanning your chats by October 2025
#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
"not one freak from Denmark putting this forward where it will die" Not true. The truth is that Chat Control has returned several times already and the majority of the EU states were actually always for, but a blocking minority has been reached each time - barely so. Worryingly, one of the blocking minority countries used to be Germany, where privacy-minded smaller parties (Greens, FDP) are no longer in government. T…
> Fuck, I don't want to live in a China with a blue flag instead of red. This is absolutely dystopian. I think it's too late. People already showed they'd loudly support this if propagandized enough like during COVID times where the most draconian and anti constitutional of policies were enacted, literally following and lobbied by China. Unless people recognize that they did a terrible thing in supporting covid polic…
I don't see what Covid has to do with this. Covid prevention measures were always meant to be temporal and they all were taken back.
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#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Realistically if countries want to read encrypted messages, they can already do so. How? Are you implying adynchronous and synchronous encryption is broken? Because last time I checked since Snowden our encryption is basically the one single thing in the whole concept of the internet that has been done very right, with forward secrecy and long term security in mind. AFAIK there are no signs that someone or somethin…
>How? A couple of guys with 5$ wrenches can be pretty effective at extracting cryptographic secrets.
Not on scale, though. Plus, this leaves some quite visible traces and leads to backlash.
That is like saying that Guantanamo can defeat religious terrorism. In individual cases, yes, on the whole, absolutely not.